The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 37




 
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May 11th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
[quote="gladius"]
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Originally Posted by doomshot
The right altitude for such a blast would not be wise because the prevailing winds will cause most of the radioactive fallout to land on Arab countries. Also exploding a nuke over any of U.S. allies will cause the U.S. to nuke that country.
Like I outlined no one will die from the blast.

"Few if any people would die right away" ---this is from the scientist who testified in the congressional hearing.

This type of nuclear explosion is NOT meant to do direct damage.

Some of you need to read my entire post on this subject, so that way you can make more informed comments.

If any people were to die it will be from cancer a decade later (if that), but simply taking Potassium Iodide tablets will protect people from this type of radiation.



Here is additional information from a website on nuclear weapons effects;

A nuclear bomb detonated at that altitude will not damage living tissue, will not cause significant radiation fallout and is not a health threat to the population.

The purpose of this explosion is to damage critical electrical circuitry in our retaliatory defense weapons and our military communications capabilities.

http://www.disastershelters.net/weapons.html
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I've not read the previous messages on this thread but I'm betting u're talking about EMP here. So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.

Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.
May 11th, 2005  
gladius
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Borat Sagdiyev
So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.
If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.

Besides if they are using old Soviet equipment, some if not alot of those equipment was built with EMP in mind, using vacuum tubes which are resistant to EMP.

They don't live in the stone age, but their society as a whole is not reliant on technology as the West is, so they will be able to adapt better to such an attack.


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Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.
You can hope radar will pick it up.

When it does, is there even a reliable anti-ballistic missle defense in place?

If there is, then it will need to stop it in the upper atmosphere where it will be detonated.

Like I said if those armies are already lined across the border then a hit in the Middle East will not much good agaisnt them.
May 12th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.
You are contradicting yourself. How can they launch an EMP moments BEFORE invading Europe, but after a lot of their roces will ALREADY BE inside Europe? Having a troops presence in Europe constitutes an invasion. How do you suggest would their forces breach European defense perimeters?

Furthermore, middle eastern militaries rely on Russian as well as European and American equipment
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May 12th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I think he's talking about guarilla or rather terrorists cells already implanted in Europe before the invasion or EMP blast.
May 12th, 2005  
gladius
 
If within Europe, yes guerillas and terrorist cells, even regular Muslims already living in Europe who want to partake in the final jihad.

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Originally Posted by Borat Sagdiyev
You are contradicting yourself. How can they launch an EMP moments BEFORE invading Europe, but after a lot of their roces will ALREADY BE inside Europe? Having a troops presence in Europe constitutes an invasion. How do you suggest would their forces breach European defense perimeters?
I'm not contradicting myself.

The enemy forces will be massed at the border (they havent crossed yet).

Right before attack across the border begins, the EMP is launched.

After the EMP is detonated, the enemy will start their vehicles, and at a pre-determined time a coordinated assualt is launched across the border.

The shock and confusion to command and control as well as civilian populace will help the invaders.

Even if the European military sector is not too affected, the civilian sector will be, this will delay reinforcements and full mobilization into a wartime economic footing.

At the same time in-country terrorist already living in Europe will strike causing even further havoc, helping the invaders.


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Furthermore, middle eastern militaries rely on Russian as well as European and American equipment
No kidding.

They already bought the equipment, what are the Europeans going say? "Here's your money back, hand over the equipment, now!"

Like I said if equipment is turned OFF or unpluged it has a good chance of surving the EMP blast which only last for a fraction of a second.

The less sophisticated and the less reliant it is on electronic circuitry, the more chances of survival even when turned on.
May 12th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
If within Europe, yes guerillas and terrorist cells, even regular Muslims already living in Europe who want to partake in the final jihad.



I'm not contradicting myself.

The enemy forces will be massed at the border (they havent crossed yet).

Right before attack across the border begins, the EMP is launched.

After the EMP is detonated, the enemy will start their vehicles, and at a pre-determined time a coordinated assualt is launched across the border.

The shock and confusion to command and control as well as civilian populace will help the invaders.

Even if the European military sector is not too affected, the civilian sector will be, this will delay reinforcements and full mobilization into a wartime economic footing.

At the same time in-country terrorist already living in Europe will strike causing even further havoc, helping the invaders.

No kidding.

They already bought the equipment, what are the Europeans going say? "Here's your money back, hand over the equipment, now!"

Like I said if equipment is turned OFF or unpluged it has a good chance of surving the EMP blast which only last for a fraction of a second.

The less sophisticated and the less reliant it is on electronic circuitry, the more chances of survival even when turned on.
Terrorist suspects and suspected al Qaeda members are often arrested throughout Europe. Even if all the surviving members did stage some simultaneous attacks, they would not be able to seriously harm European economy or military installations. Sure, they could kill a few thousand people, but in a war, this is not a table-turning event.

Are you assuming European intelligence services, AWACs and whatnot will not notice a huge massing of troops outside Europe's borders until the launch of the EMP ordnance? Also, are you going to be more specific about borders? Do you mean the Bosporus? The straight of Gibralter? The entire North-African coast? Byelorussia, Russia, the Ukraine and Balkans???

You said it yourself: Switching equipment off could spare it from an EMP. If said missile is detected by European air surveillance, and everybody has been warned of the possibility of such an attack, they could quickly broadcast warnings on all frequencies causing everybody who listens to shut down their electronic equipment.

I mentioned American and European equipment among middle eastern armed forces in response to your claim that most of their forces will be immune since they use Soviet equipment that is immune to EMP. Nothing to do with money-back policies.
May 12th, 2005  
Doc.S
 

Topic: Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe


*Applauds gladius scenario*

Was it worth waiting for?

The obvious answer YES sir!

Well sorry for my slow reaction, Internet does not always function as it should unfortunately. I can only imagine what would happen with an EMP in the skies and a simultaneous attack from the inside and from the outside in.

Well this was indeed head on mate. I could not have seen this scenario myself to be honest. It is a genius behind that keyboard boys.

First of all this scenario is probably the one that would work IRL to be honest. It would make our forces a helpless victim of development. After years of amateur studies regarding our future weapons I now understand soviet armour better then ever have when it comes to their widespread protection when it concerns nuclear elements, and that can explain another thing, the long term thinking behind rather inexpensive soviet arms within this countrys that we today seems to attack from left to right. - "Preventive strikes someone?" -

These weapons today are not a sweeping threat on the modern and conventional battle field, but what IF Saddam Hussein with his massive army would still have been in power and this Mhadi scenario with Iran and other Muslim countrys joined up?. The best candidate for this today, since Iraq is gone, Iran would have developed this EMP bomb and drooped it over Europe with a Tupolev 22 bomber. Well goodbye!, farewell! Europe!

No one thought that Adolf Hitler would overrun France and the rest of Europe as he did in 1940 eather. Well this is the Islamic extremist D-Day plan that would work not only in theory but also in practice for sure, I am 100% certain of it. I can only see what would happen to my country if we were hit. This country would need weeks to get on their feets again. Why? The great storm this winter paralysed major parts of this country for weeks because of our bad infrastructure and bad maintenance of our forests. We Import allot of our energy from the rest of Europe too so an EMP bomb would have its effect even here in sweden I tell you guys.

The traffic chaos, and all that would turn this part of the world into a living hell. Ppl wonder how this attack actually could be simultaneous? See >> Terrorist populace- or read this - Well the answer is very simple really. Only in Germany there is a Muslim population over 3 million ppl. regarding to Dhammi Watch the slaying of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh allegedly by an Islamic radical raised alarm in next-door Germany and other parts of Europe. The murder on this Dutch filmmaker and its consequences should have been an early warning sign to all skeptical ppl in Europe. One murder imagine thousands of dead civilians all in the name of Mhadi. *Use your imagination*

As a sign of a tolerant, multicultural society we have also opened our gates towards this centurys maybe most devastating conflicts to come. BUT that is IF this Mhadi ever turns up! The crusades would be reiterate but this time in a convert direction. This time towards the western Christian values and not the East.

I am not as optimistic as gladius is when it comes to our European police and military efforts to save this part of the world. Systems as the Land Warrior would not help us in our urban terrain battles. This would be a mixed WW2 scenario and crusade, this time even worse, because an AK-47 is a deadly weapon in the hands of fanatic warriors - points at Iraq - that weapon would be used in large quantitys as fast as the reinforcements would arrive on European grounds. Even out of date soviet built tanks would be as effective as our best Leopard A5 tanks are today, because they would probably be out of action since the EMP bomb would have taken care of our hight tech weapon arsenal pretty quick I'm afraid.

I don't think that police officers and regular army units will stop this Mhadi to be honest. You would never IMHO be able to halt this wave of Islamic terror without braking our own civilised rules. We would die or convert and they would win for sure. There is a time after a war too. And that time would not include tolerant, multicultural societys anymore, to much blood would be spilled, the death of the perfect Utopia of socialist democratic ruling would be here. And it is nothing you can do about it today without turning this part of the world to a super fascist police state all in red.

For obvious reasons there are nothing more to talk about when it comes to this scenario from my point of view. For me it is crystal clear. Anyone with a little bit of instinct of self-preservation would accept this and do as I will do in the future. Pack my bags and get the hell out of Europe before it is to late.

Cheers:
Doc.S
May 12th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
If this invasion ever comes through it will be an extermination war....everybody in very town of Europe will fight against the invasors, we are almost 400 million people, we will fight to dead. We have an example of this: the invasion of Spain in the year 711, we needed 800 years to eliminate the invasor but we finally did it. We can not subestimate the power,physical and pysiquical force of the european people.
May 12th, 2005  
Doc.S
 

Topic: Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Eu


Interesting point of view staurofilakes Indeed.

I can only talk for what I think would happened in sweden. We have not been in a war since 1814 when we conquered our Norwegian neighbor (almost 200 years). All this modern stuff and years of peace without any breaks, a person needs to know that sweden today is a over tolerant, multicultural society that has banned allot of our customs and culture to avoid culture-collisions and to destroy far right surfs and culture pride more then in sport context. I think I have taken the right temperature on the swedish ppl today, and to be honest I find them flabby and completely incapable of defending themself from this type of violence for sure.

They would not die - they would more likely lay down arms and convert after a while. A minority would probably try to defend and resist the invaders but in the end loose and tracked down by fifth colonists where they would be put at best in a Islamic type of Haag court before they would be shoot or hanged as traitors or terrorists (infidels) as an example for others that are tempted to follow in their footsteps . I don't know how it is with Spain today, but they are probably a bit different also in their physical and psychic force from their last fight for freedom don't you think?

Most Sincerely:
Doc.S
May 12th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
Quote:
Originally Posted by Borat Sagdiyev
So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.
If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.


Besides if they are using old Soviet equipment, some if not alot of those equipment was built with EMP in mind, using vacuum tubes which are resistant to EMP.

They don't live in the stone age, but their society as a whole is not reliant on technology as the West is, so they will be able to adapt better to such an attack.


Quote:
Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.
You can hope radar will pick it up.

When it does, is there even a reliable anti-ballistic missle defense in place?

If there is, then it will need to stop it in the upper atmosphere where it will be detonated.

Like I said if those armies are already lined across the border then a hit in the Middle East will not much good agaisnt them.

There are some vacuum tubes left but they never advanced to the type of circuitry needed in computerized equipment. I suspect that enough vacuum tubes to build a four function calculator would not fit in a large room.