I arrest my case about what I said about my Muslim friends!

Well said! 8)

Originally Posted by GIANTNEVERSAYNO

Islam means "pure". As a Muslim, we are thaught to respect each other regardless of your race and your believes. There is no discremination in Islam. Look at the Islamic history, When Prophet Muhammad first establish a Muslim country in Medina', he gave all the people(Muslim, Jews, Christians etc) freedom to practise their believes. There are no restrictions and bias.

I beg your pardon, but this is absolutely untrue.

Christians and Jews who lived under Muslim law were required to pay a special tax called jizyah. Those paying the tax were classified as dhimmis, second-class protected citizens who have a limited number of rights. They were by no means equal to Muslims (big restriction and bias). Pagans on the other hand were forced to convert, or else.

Besides the Koran says otherwise:

"O ye who believe (Muslims) take not the Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them is of them (Surat Al-Maidah 5:51).

You also forgot to mention the Prophet Muhammad massacred the Jews in Medina.

I know you are painting a picture of Islam being all peaceful, but history as well as current events has not proven that, so who am I to believe.

Most of my comments are based on past and present history and Muslim attitudes and resentments towards the secular or "Christian" West (for God's sakes they still hold the crusades against us), I didn't just dig my comments out of nowhere.

But let me say there is a difference between the moderate and fundamentalist Islamics. Within the religion there is a tug-of-war between these two forces. Who will prevail will determin the future. But in order for the future to be a peaceful one the moderates need to step up address and defeat many things of what the fundamentalist are doing, and this has to be done within the Muslim community itself. Right now they have a slight boost with the democratization of Iraq. But are they really willing to step up to the plate and make it happen? I'll believe it when I see it, not simply because someone paints a pretty picture of their religion. Believe me I'd like to see the moderates win.

GIANTNEVERSAYNO wrote:

There are no restrictions and bias. Everyone can take part in the administration and each of the have their own representatives in the new administration. The true concept of Islam is to have peace between one another and respect. Islam does not permit its followers to go into war or in other word, we are not a war junkie(as you may pronounce it)

Concerning the history of mi country (Spain, known as Al-Andalus for many nostalgics): during the islam domination there was no peace betewen Christians and Muslims, we had to fight during 800 years to get our freedom back, and the tale about the peaceful coexistance is just a tale. Even after we got our freedom back we had to fight against Otomans..Lepanto,Kalhenberg, Vien....

Islam means "pure". As a Muslim, we are thaught to respect each other regardless of your race and your believes. There is no discremination in Islam

If you usually read the Koran you will know this:


O Beleivers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends. They are
but one another's friends. If any one of you takes them for his
friends, he surely is one of them! 5:56


Of all men you will certainly find the Jews, and those who join other
gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred of those who believe;
and you shall certainly find those to be nearest in affection to them
who say, We are Christians.' This, because some of them are priests
and monks, and because they are free from pride. 5:85

Fight then against them until strife be at an end, and the religion be all
of it God's. 8:40


They who believe, fight on the path of God; and they who believe not
fight on the path of Thagout: Fight therefore against the friends of
Satan. 4:78

Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them find you rigorous. 9:124


Is this a peaceful religion...?

I can open up my Bible and accuse Christianity and Judaism of the same things -- based on their own sacred scriptures. I'm Christian, but I have a brain of my own. God commanded the ancient Israelites to kill every inhabitant of the Holy Land preceding them and to leave none alive.

Christianity used such passages to excuse wars and largescale massacres. Christianity has evolved. Do not make the mistake of begrudging them to make the same sort of progress. They need to purge the maniacs from their religion because those idiots make the rest of the faith look terrible. Also, many outdated practices related to women could use substantial updating. But the idea of change, I'm 100% in favor of.

On certain parts of this I have to totaly agree with you. Christianity has used scriptures to wage war on a large scale, of this I have no doubt and know full well about.

But that wasn't the point here. The guy was saying that there is no discrimination in Islam, that there are no restrictions and bias, pointing to their history. Not true.

He also said that Islam doesn't permit its followers to go into war. Also not true.

That's the point that I was adressing, not that Christiany or Judaism is faultless.

I am all for Islam evolving and making progress to join todays world. However even you have to admit that during the middle ages both Christianity and Islam were about the same level in thinking, killing each other in the name of God. However Christainity has evolved, Islam on the other hand has for the most part stayed in the 16th century. Their progress is at a snails pace compared to Christianity's rocketship.

Don't get me wrong I hope they do change and progress, but there is alot that needs to be done for that to happen. Most of them need to step up to the plate to see it through.

For all our sakes, I hope the moderates can beat the fundamentalist for control for the Muslim religion. How long will this take before it happens, your guess is a good as mine. And what if the Mahdi shows up before this change take place, what then?

For all our sakes, I hope the moderates can beat the fundamentalist for control for the Muslim religion. How long will this take before it happens, your guess is a good as mine. And what if the Mahdi shows up before this change take place, what then?

I still belive/hope that knowledge (more education/schools) and equal rights between sexes, and that communism as a political tool is banned as the far right national socialism is, it is the best weapon to defeat the widely spread illiterate that you find amongs almost all muslim countrys majority population. And if the Mahdi did show up before this changes then all hell would brake loose IMO. For sweden to get civilized 300 years (exaggerated civilised). If Islam is still on a 16th century level, that road is to far to walk before they can change. Basically we are all F.U.B.A.R. 8)

Cheers:
Doc.S

Okay, so what happens if the Mahdi and the Messiah and Christ all turn out to be exactly the same person? This may be a stretch in terms of many prophecies, but what if they actually do turn out to be the same person? There are false Messiahs and there are false Mahdis. Many of each have come and gone.

Originally Posted by godofthunder9010

Okay, so what happens if the Mahdi and the Messiah and Christ all turn out to be exactly the same person? This may be a stretch in terms of many prophecies, but what if they actually do turn out to be the same person? There are false Messiahs and there are false Mahdis. Many of each have come and gone.

Well, Christ already came, and we did not treat him very well, so I guess that he won´t come back. By the way, I do not think that Muslims,Jewish or Christians could accept a messias from another religion as their own, just think that betewen Christians there were many problems to accept the pope,imagine betewen different religions!

Quote myself:

Doppleganger are mentioning with the cultural invasion for starters.

I found the Video that was shown on our mainstream media 4 a-clock in the morning when almost all sweds was still in bead dreaming of their summer vacation. This Video was never again shown in sweden.

Look at VIDEO Swedes Struggle With Immigrants and you will see that Mahdi is not needed over here. It has already started. This is not a BS story. Our own broadcasting media cheif did agree to that this report was reliable and not a hokes (correct information). We only report our news differently, end of quote. Welcome to my reality and my world outsiders. 8)

LINK:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C293...9614%2C00.html

Doc.S