The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 32




 
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February 28th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Dajjal will be considered as Messiah by Jews
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Well don't worry, Because no body will know his identity until Jesus returns and he will be followed by huge number of people around the world. Not just the Jews.
February 28th, 2005  
Doc.S
 
"Funny" you guys mention the number of the beast 666 today. Yesterday/lastnight before lightsout, me and my wife discussed the end of the world and I told her - Well next year then. 2006-06-06 what do you get then? A number and a tought that made my skinn crawl. If it is the end of the world or a new great, great, great, great war that goes of I leave for the future to show.

Maybe an Invasion will start then? Who knows. And Anti-Christ is something that have hunted humans for decades, and from what I know the bible is very down-to-earth so why not a human with the power and the will to act so that many ppl may look at him/her as mr Anti-Christ him/herselfe? Europe is in deep trouble if I am right here.. So is Anti-Christ- if I get my paws around that beast`s neck if it tries to find my secret base (Tora Bora) 8)

Doc.S
March 1st, 2005  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by TBA_PAKI
Well I read that prophecy but you should understand that prophecies can be described in different ways.
Like I said before Islams track record for being a peaceful religion is not that good. Once the Muslims have ammased an arsenal those prophecies will not be interpreted peacefully.

I don't believe for once, that when the Muslims have someone they believe is invicble that they will hold back from attacking whoever they want.

Besides most if not all the prophecies interpretations that I have read say the Mahdi will invade Europe. Either case the result of the coming of the Mahdi will be war.

I think you maybe just trying to sugar coat all this to make it seem more appealing to those reading, I don't buy it.

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Imam Mehdi will work with him (Jesus) but will die after a short period and Jesus will play the role as world leader (because of greater influence over christians).

Note: These two leaders will unite christians and muslims in to one faith and end the corruption. The staggering point is that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all related to some extent. And Quran contains great descriptions of past world scenarios related to Jews and christians and also describe the occurrence of Gog and Magog in future.
This is wishful thinking on the part of Muslims.

First of all the fundamental belief of most Christians is that Jesus is the Son of God. This Mulsim "Jesus"(Issa) will deny that he is the son of God making him an anti-christ, either that or false prophet (second to the anti-christ).

So what are you going to do with the Christians who don't accept Mahdi, cut their heads off? You'll have to get them first.

Secondly it is fundamental in the Bible that Jesus rescues the Jews in the end time. According to Muslim prophecy the Mahdi and Jesus(Issa) will kill all the Jews, very clear difference here. There is no way this stuff will fly and any staunch Christians.

Only thing these prophecies will lead to is war.

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Note: Without any concrete proofs, no one can label anyone as Anti-christ. The Anti-christ's identity will be revealed through 666 in Hebrew according to Bible.
True.

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And let me give you hint about IMAM MEHDI's actual name. His real name will be "Muhammad bin Abdullah" as told us by our prophet (P.B.U.H) and he will be termed as "Mehdi - the righly guided" by muslims because of his moral values. Surprised isn't it. Now count this name in Hebrew context and you will be even more disapointed.
There is nothing that says this number matches the anti-christ name. It is simply a number related to him in some way, what that is, we don't know yet.

Besides there are some early manuscripts that say that this number is 616, not just 666. So we probably won't till it happens.

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IMAM MEHDI is not the Anti-christ. The Anti-christ will not come from the land of Arabia. Latest study of Nostradamus prophecies has also corrected this mistake. Some people in west try to put muslims as potential enemies in future instead on focusing on ground realities and thus post false alarms like these.
He comes from the old empire of Alexander the Great, which alot of Arabia(Middle East) is located in.

Secondly he wears a blue turban, followed by his second in command wearing a white turban. This is according to Notradamus, if your going to go by that you might as well get it right.

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How do we know this "Mahdi" fellow is not the anti-christ (Revelation)?
You have a good point. But I don't know if i want to get too much into the religious side of this. I actually want to discuss this from a contemporary perspective.
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March 1st, 2005  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by rOk
Can we talk real theory for a moment please?

I'd just like to know the constitution of the Islamic forces, where they'll gather in masse, possible thrust direction etc...

Is anyone up for that?
I am.

This is that part I'd rather discuss, the realistic theory side which will make it all possible, or not. I think it will.

But you have to admit when one side tries to push their "holy" word to others because they think they cannot lose and that it is "absolutely true", that in itself is a good reason why this war will start, even you have to admit that, it's a realistic enough reason. You're already seeing it here.
March 1st, 2005  
Lupos
 
 
I have been gone a while, but I think about this. This can all be avoided if we fight this war NOW. If the despots in many middle east countries and the Islamonazi terrorists (in case you are wondering, it is basicly means the Islamic version of Nazis.) are defeated, then all this may be avoided. If we fight now, we can stop this from ever happening. We can liberate the Muslim world and help them find a way into democracy. If all this is done now, fewer young Muslim boys will be tempted to become terrorists now and Madhi soldiers in the future. All we have to do now is be strong, ignore the Appeasers in our goverment, and not give up the fight.
March 1st, 2005  
rOk
 
 
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Originally Posted by TBA_PAKI
Well r0K, the problem is that its like a never-ending story with little or no conclusion at all. There will be claims and then counter-claims, so no one can determine anything.
Bold is TBA_PAKI, normal font is me:

Do you really think that Russia is very friendly to Europe and not others. Then you are totally mistaken. Russia only looks forward to its own interests rather then caring about others and they too know that fighting a united Islamic force is not an option for them because they alone can't win that conventional conflict. Russian strategy is not that good and many muslim nations will be using best of the weapons (imported from USA, Europe, China and also Russia).

I think they'll rather bully you for oil then alienate themselves from Europe. I know everyone looks after their own interests but ask yourself if Russia is more naturally inclined towards the Muslim world or Europe...besides they know that it would be only a matter of time before the US gets involved and they'd rather share the spoils of war with the rest of us than endanger their position with a possible confrontation with the US.
Now if this all unfolds like it's written here (as if )...not even China can save you...IMHO...as always.
Even if only Russia gets involved it's a whole new ball game...suddenly you have an open flank.

Like I said before that fighting one nation is something different, but fighting a coalition of nations is very difficult and costly thing.

Yes indeed, but you seem to have forgotten that a coalition brings problems in itself, though I do believe they will be pushed aside but you shouldn't expect a well oiled machine. (at least not from the start)

And about invasion prospects, it can happen regardless of your thinking.

Well of course...

--> First step would be gathering sufficient intelligence from agents inside Europe about potentail military targets and permanent bases. Thus plans can be modified accordingly.

Good choice...however you are already under observation...that's not a counterplan, it's just to show you that you won't be doing anything new.

--> Then use of Ballistic Missiles in the first hand on those targets will be an effective option. Also hitting presidential sites will be good for causing panic among many people. (Note it will include Airports and Airforce bases)

Please do note...that if you use that on a city combined with something like anthrax or alike...someone will nuke you...just for a warning.
Just to illustrate...the British SSBN regularly listen to BBC World Radio...and guess what they do if there's no BBC Radio and they can't get a signal from the UK High Command.

--> Airforce strikes then will be considered on Naval targets of enemy followed by attacks from large number of smaller boats. And no matter what you believe, it will take time for Europe to materalize an effective naval blockade in Medi. sea and it will be then too late.

Airforce strikes? You talk like they'll get through ...well some of them might but there wont be anything left for the second wave.

--> Through Turkey a couple of light battalions will be sent for invasion. There the European ground forces will be able to halt them but a quick enough counter attack by better equiped brigades will push the Europeans back.

NATO will be on high alert by the time you get to the Bospor straits...don't count on the better equipped brigades to perform a miracle...and besides Greeks have some decent gear aswell...and please start talking divisions not brigades or battalions.
No matter how zealous they'll be I'd like to see a couple of battalions going to try their chances...any decent commander would know that they are the diversion...a trap if you will.

--> Suicide attacks will be planted inside Europe by large no. of agents to disrupt communications and cause more panic among civilians.

That's about the only thing I don't have something to counter it with. ...except maybe the fact that the civilian populace will start taking matters into their own hands...and that means they won't look for clear signs of someone being a terrorist...if they won't know him and he'll start behaving suspiciously they'll take care of him.
To illustrate...after the siege of Beslan, the civvies killed one of the terrorists and guided the law enforcement agencies to the others.

--> For counter offensive Europe could consider a counter attack from African side. But effective Gurreilla plans in place there will be able to slow them down.

That would be a mistake...the counterattack through Africa...no counterattacks...I'd let you bleed first on the defenses then I'd do a counterattack

--> Then second big wolly of Short Range Ballistic Missile strikes can be planted on that counter-invasion force of Europeans for adding more pressure to them.

Normally that size of a force is dispersed and in wartime you'll be hardpressed to get good intel on their whereabouts.

--> Also on Egyptian Nile river, very strong counter measures can be made to halt any invasion. Large belt of military units with western weaponry can be placed there to effectively block any attempt of break-through by Europeans. Also some elements of Airforce can be used there for protection from skies.

As I said before...no invasion, just electronic warfare and cruise missiles

--> Israel can be destroyed through use of few tactical nuke warheads.

That's true...but they'll take a hell of a lot of you with them...they got nukes too

--> More brigades will be sent through Turkish route to make it more difficult for nato forces to hold on. But a separate big wolly of SRBM strikes will be more moral-shattering for European troops.Thus there will be some serious causalties on both sides in this area but many parts of main European army will be destroyed as well. Making it a good option for futher-push in to Europe.

Again...dispersion of forces...SRBM is an obsolete weapon...you can't hit anything smaller than a city with it.


--> Note that the European most effective counter-offensive tool would be there good Airforce and Naval presence in the opening of Medi. River but very big tussle will be taking place in Medi. sea through Airforce and loss of aircraft on both sides on daily basis will be damaging for both.

Indeed but who will suffer more from attrition...Europe with it's farthest away factories in the UK or Sweden or you who have little or no factories at all?(and all in range of EU assets...even the one in Pakistan where IIRC you're trying to manufacture the FC1.)
You do...I admit but the things that are coming out of those factories are mighty different then what is coming out of Europe's.
Additionally...the Arab nations were never really home in the water...in sharp contrast to many European countries...not only you don't have the ships and equipment, you don't have the cadre to fill those ships even if you had them...again in sharp contrast to European countries who have a long maritime tradition and experience...so IMHO the Med for you would be a no-go zone.


--> Oil reserves cut for so long will be starting to cause some serious troubles in European industries but those can be some-how met through logistics support by there allies from other parts of the world.

Yes indeed....well lets hope so

--> Up-till now the conflict would be more in the favour of muslim forces. But then Nukes will be the last resort to save Europe and a massive Nuclear War can be triggered through Nuclear strikes from Missiles in to the main cities by both parties.

You'd be out of an airforce in the first 2 weeks...and that's looking optimisticaly...I don't even want to discuss the naval aspect.
Your pool of people in Europe would probably soon be interned (like the Japanese were in the US during WWII) thus reducing your chances for success on suicide missions and intel gathering.

--> Finally no winner but losses would be incredible for both. As I mentioned it again and again.

No, colonialism would be a reality again. (I had too, sorry )...but really my opinion is that yes, losses would be great on both sides...however there are so many targets in Europe of great value that you can't possibly hope to get them all...the point is we can rebuild almost no matter what...you'd have no food, medicine etc...you won't be in any shape for rebuilding...the oil fields close to Europe would be either destroyed (thus hurting your war machine from the get go) or captured..hampering your income severely....don't forget that in the aftermath all your money which is in western banks would be frozen etc...should I go on?
And of course your free to debunk everything I wrote

Cheers
March 4th, 2005  
gladius
 
I actually agree with your points rOk, ..."IF" this war was to happen now or even within the next 5 years or so.

However the future situation maybe different. If you read my post:
This is what I see as far as the future political situation of Europe some 10 years ahead., ...on page 19 of this thread, you will have a hard time arguing this is not a future possibilty given the current trend.

Again my arguement is NOT that the Islamic empire will win and counquer Europe, but that simply that they make a succesful incursion deep into European soil, given the future parameters.

And yes I think they can take the Med, I already expained this in detail a while back.

But you are right the combined might of the Western Allies will eventually push them back, but the price will be very high and not as easy as most people think. I even think that either Russia or China will side with the West, not at first but eventualy as the war goes on. So no the Isalmic empire won't win, but again that was not my arguement.
April 8th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 

Topic: Re: The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europ


It will be the American Empire, which will invade Europe. Oh wait, they've already started 64 years ago: There are countless US bases all over Europe. Only a few countries are exempt from this "military colonization". it would therefore be fairly easy for the US to invade the continent if they chose to do so. No Middle Eastern power has the technology, firepower or manpower for this conquest.

Europe depends mostly on Russian oil, not Middle Eastern oil. Norway and Britain are also important suppliers of the black stuff,

Hang on, why am I taking part in a discussion which involves some mythical "prophesy" b******t?
April 9th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
I actually agree with your points rOk, ..."IF" this war was to happen now or even within the next 5 years or so.

However the future situation maybe different. If you read my post:
This is what I see as far as the future political situation of Europe some 10 years ahead., ...on page 19 of this thread, you will have a hard time arguing this is not a future possibilty given the current trend.

Again my arguement is NOT that the Islamic empire will win and counquer Europe, but that simply that they make a succesful incursion deep into European soil, given the future parameters.

And yes I think they can take the Med, I already expained this in detail a while back.

But you are right the combined might of the Western Allies will eventually push them back, but the price will be very high and not as easy as most people think. I even think that either Russia or China will side with the West, not at first but eventualy as the war goes on. So no the Isalmic empire won't win, but again that was not my arguement.
I have one question.
Who is this hypothetical "Islamic" enemy that is going to make deep incursions into a defenceless Europe?

From what I see not one of the middle eastern "islamic" states has the military capacity or man power do this, not even a major alliance between all middle eastern nations gives them the manpower to carry out this sort of operation successfully.

I think you are looking at this issue from what seems to have become more a national paranoia than a reality based fear as to this point there isn't a single "Islamic" state threatening anyone.
April 9th, 2005  
Doc.S
 

Topic: Re: The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europ


I know that many other countrys in Europe would be hard to crack when it comes to inside attacks on their infrastructure. But Sweden would probably be the first country to fall if anyone would try.

Give me 20 or less men and I can shut down this whole country for weeks and months in one day or less. That is how simple it is to shut down this country with a simple terror wave from the inside.

It may sound impossible but it is really nothing, it is a small country and we have not had any war since 1814. This country is a liberal and free socialist society but as with freedom and democracy in general it is a hard thing to control, ppl get idle and blinded when the world looks as safe as it does on our political correct news channels and in our daily newspapers.

I would not question my own situation if I didnt know that it was true. Reasonable thinking, common sence, and studys can make you look at the world with different eyes.

Problem is that as many as 70% maybe more ppl never attempt to look any further then to their own noses and wallets, untill they get a bomb droped on their feets. They trust in our government that controls the media, the schools, and the unions all over this little country .

Well ppl did think more often before the soft soap operas did hit our headlines every day togheter with who got the biggest lips or breasts in Big Brother?

Panic was mentioned, I would like to see ppl run for their lifes out from our silent cafees knowing that hell has broken loose on Queens street in Stockholm. I can see a juicy scenario where things start to look like it did under the American Civil War (this time 100 times worse).

This fight will not be conducted in our gardens, more likely in our own livingrooms and bedrooms, hand to hand for starters and then total tyranny in a couple of weeks for city fokes that will be hit first as usualy.
We would have evil instead of Live ( Live backwards= Evil)

Ds: IMHO this is the best thread on this forum

Cheers:
Doc.S