The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 31




 
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February 27th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Believe me those are lies purported by some fanatics and it is not going to be like as you mentioned. And I already mentioned that muslims usually have good opinions for most Europeans (but British need more polishing)!

About the battle you speak off will be fought in "Middle East regions of Syria, Northern parts of SA and Turkey" at the same time as predicted by our last Prophet (P.B.U.H), whether you believe it or not. It would be a very big war between Romans (USA and Allies probably) and forces of IMAM MEHDI (that would also involve allies from East of Arabia). This war will be fought in 6 years period and would be in 3 Phases.

Both sides will commit massive forces (unlike the current wars we have seen) and Romans sole goal would be saving Modern Turkey (which will have a role in causing trouble for some muslim communities in future). And in the end of this great battle, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be captured by muslims.
I might be as you say. However Islam's track record for being peaceful is not really that good in the past as well as in the present.

I think the writtings are clear that the Mahdi will have to invade Rome.

"You will fight the Romans, and Believers from the Hijaz will fight them after you, until Allah enables them to conquer Constantinople and Rome with Tasbih and Takirr (saying "Subhdn Allah" and "Allahu Akbar"). Its fortifications will collapse, and they will obtain booty the like of which has never been seen, so that they will share it out by scooping it up with their shields. Then someone will cry, 'O Muslims! the Dajjal is in your country, with your families', and the people will leave the wealth. Anyone who takes notice will regret it and anyone who ignores it will regret it.

Secondly, the Muslims will have the Mahdi with them, so they will think they are invincible. If they think are invincible and nothing can defeat them, it would then be so easy for them to to say, "lets go invade Europe". Any radical influence towards this invasion would be easily agreed to.

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And no force would be able to stop him on earth (whether anyone believes it or not because muslims will be not be the same again once he arrives)!
Hey you, yourself said it. C'mon I think anyone with any insight can see that this will lead to a war.

Not to metion this is another prophecy that has to be fullfilled too;

A jamaat of Muslims wages Jihaad on India and be successful.

So the coming of the Mahdi will bring forth war all over.

There are too many Muslim radicals out there that want this war to happen, unless the Mulsim world can stamp them out completely, or is even willing to do so, this will happen.
Well I read that prophecy but you should understand that prophecies can be described in different ways.

I clearly described the actual prophecy in great detail (up there in my post). But again there is possibility of some European states sharing border with Turkey or close, getting captured too.

NOTE: More narration below (but no offence)!

War will be thrusted by Romans and not muslims according to actual accounts.

As the war will be a big one and will start from Roman offensive and will end at Muslim counter-offensive surprisingly (within 6 year span). That can be made possible with the help from East and massive numbers of soldiers with adequate weaponry. But Dajjal or Anti-christ (another legion in Roman shoes probably) will come to disrupt the conquest. The tides of war will again turn in enemy's favour and Imam Mehdi will end-up capturing Jerusalem, but besieged by 70,000 troops of Dajjal. Then descend of Jesus will take place and he will kill the Anti-christ (Dajjal) and finally all battles will come to end. Jesus will then end corruption and enemity in all faithful people (christians, muslims and jews alike) and teach only those objectives that will provide salvation from God. But a massive army in the shape of Gog and Magog will appear and people will be panicked, but God will wipe them out.

Imam Mehdi will work with him (Jesus) but will die after a short period and Jesus will play the role as world leader (because of greater influence over christians).

Note: These two leaders will unite christians and muslims in to one faith and end the corruption. The staggering point is that Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all related to some extent. And Quran contains great descriptions of past world scenarios related to Jews and christians and also describe the occurrence of Gog and Magog in future.
February 28th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Point of Clarification: Contantinople has been done already based on how I'm reading it.

I wonder why this one hasn't been sent to the shiny new Political Discussions section?
February 28th, 2005  
CO5060.20
 
How do we know this "Mahdi" fellow is not the anti-christ (Revelation)? He seems to fit the description if you ask me... If that is true, God will come down once he has taken over the world and deliver those still loyal, sending satan back to hell, chaining him in the fiery sulfur lake for another 1000 years until his return. The horse on the rider, with fiery eyes will fight the war against satan with a sword from his mouth and God will prevail (according to the bible).
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February 28th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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How do we know this "Mahdi" fellow is not the anti-christ (Revelation)? He seems to fit the description if you ask me... If that is true, God will come down once he has taken over the world and deliver those still loyal, sending satan back to h**l, chaining him in the fiery sulfur lake for another 1000 years until his return. The horse on the rider, with fiery eyes will fight the war against satan with a sword from his mouth and God will prevail (according to the bible).
Note: Without any concrete proofs, no one can label anyone as Anti-christ. The Anti-christ's identity will be revealed through 666 in Hebrew according to Bible.

And let me give you hint about IMAM MEHDI's actual name. His real name will be "Muhammad bin Abdullah" as told us by our prophet (P.B.U.H) and he will be termed as "Mehdi - the righly guided" by muslims because of his moral values. Surprised isn't it. Now count this name in Hebrew context and you will be even more disapointed.

IMAM MEHDI is not the Anti-christ. The Anti-christ will not come from the land of Arabia. Latest study of Nostradamus prophecies has also corrected this mistake. Some people in west try to put muslims as potential enemies in future instead on focusing on ground realities and thus post false alarms like these.

NOTE: IMAM MEHDI will be sent to help muslims from the clutches of this ultimate evil in future.

Our prophet (P.B.U.H) warned us about the Anti-christ (termed as "Dajjal" in Arabic).

--> Dajjal is one-eyed liar
--> Dajjal will be considered as Messiah by Jews
--> Dajjal will be the worst fitna (test) for muslims
--> Dajjal will claim to be divine
--> Dajjal will enjoy great powers
--> People who will follow him (will go to hell) and those who will not (will go to heaven)
--> But Dajjal will have the power to upset or cause confusions among the religions of the world
--> Dajjal will fight his enemies by throwing "Fire from skies"
--> Dajjal will make offer to different states to either accept his demands or pay the price. Those who will except his demands, will get all the benefits and those who will not follow, will meet devastating faith and will be financially ruined.
--> Dajjal will cause great destuction in East and West of Arabia
--> Dajjal will try to do experiments of bringing dead to life
--> Only Jesus will be able to slaughter this menance of evil
February 28th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Point of Clarification: Contantinople has been done already based on how I'm reading it.

I wonder why this one hasn't been sent to the shiny new Political Discussions section?
The battle of contantinople wasn't fought according to the Islamic prophecy, I've posted here. The Byzantines did not sent "1 million man army" to counter muslims. No offence but better improve your vocabulory of history.

Constantinople was overrun my muslims in 1453. These were muslims of Turkish origin (The Ottomans) who first defeated Mongols and embraced Islam. And then later on, conquered the "famous Byzantine Empire". Thus constantinople was named as "Istanbul". This empire became the largest in the world but began to weaken in late 18th century.

Our prophet (P.B.U.H) told us that "Constantinople" will be captured twice. It happened in 14th century and it will happen in near future once again. As I said that it is too difficult to say anything about it in current situation.

Today we can see "Modern Turkey" as more of western type rather then Arab type or religious type. And there is talk among western nations of inducting it as a member of European Union. Thus indications have already started to occur about its side with Romans in near future
February 28th, 2005  
rOk
 
 
Can we talk real theory for a moment please?

I'd just like to know the constitution of the Islamic forces, where they'll gather in masse, possible thrust direction etc...

Is anyone up for that?
February 28th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Can we talk real theory for a moment please?

I'd just like to know the constitution of the Islamic forces, where they'll gather in masse, possible thrust direction etc...

Is anyone up for that?
The problem is that some people have started to bring religious beliefs in to the discussion so I had to correct there knowledge.

About the Invasion, it might come through the route of Turkey and Naval movement through Mediterranean ocean. Here Israeli submarines can serve as deterence but Israel itself will be threatened of being overwhelmed so it will not be an option. Plus EU navy will have to take measures but the problem is that in close-range encounters, even Missile boats can cause some serious damages to big vessels. And it will take time to make an effective Naval blockade by Europeans as well but in the advent of surprise invasion, this might not be effective.

As far as Russia is concerned, it can be cornered off through OIL.

And the best option would be firing missiles in to each other's cities. Iran has already build missiles that can hit some European regions. But bringing these missiles close to Turkey will enable muslims for strikes deep in to European territory.
February 28th, 2005  
rOk
 
 
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Originally Posted by rOk
Can we talk real theory for a moment please?

I'd just like to know the constitution of the Islamic forces, where they'll gather in masse, possible thrust direction etc...

Is anyone up for that?
As far as Russia is concerned, it can be cornered off through OIL.
If you'll do that they'll attack you themselves.


Regarding the Med: As I said in one of my previous posts...that's a no go-it's packed with listening devices and yes they can track small boats.

The Turkey route brings you to the Bospor straits-a narrow easily defended passage.

The "Hit the city" theory is ludicrous...you can't really think that you can come on top with that one do you (even in 15 yrs)?

The Gibraltar pass is even more perilous than the Bospor straits..(ie UK and Spain vs. Greece alone)
February 28th, 2005  
rocco
 
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Dajjal will be considered as Messiah by Jews
offcourse

well if muslims invade israel, they will come back home to charcoal streets and homes... all these prophecies are bull***t

they can be interpreted in many ways... like i heard some sort of white, black, red and green stuff... e.g. red = nazis etc
you can interprete that those 4 colours are muslim flag colors of all arabs
February 28th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
Well r0K, the problem is that its like a never-ending story with little or no conclusion at all. There will be claims and then counter-claims, so no one can determine anything.

I alone cannot explain that how such an invasion can take place. It requires massive intelligence gathering and analysis of available options at disposal. But saying that Europe is un-conquerable is simply a mistake from your part.

And any country can be forced to remain neutral by offering it some important benefits especially OIL (which has become a necessaity now-a-days)!

Do you really think that Russia is very friendly to Europe and not others. Then you are totally mistaken. Russia only looks forward to its own interests rather then caring about others and they too know that fighting a united Islamic force is not an option for them because they alone can't win that conventional conflict. Russian strategy is not that good and many muslim nations will be using best of the weapons (imported from USA, Europe, China and also Russia).

Like I said before that fighting one nation is something different, but fighting a coalition of nations is very difficult and costly thing.

And about invasion prospects, it can happen regardless of your thinking.

Let me explain you some of the options available:

--> First step would be gathering sufficient intelligence from agents inside Europe about potentail military targets and permanent bases. Thus plans can be modified accordingly.

--> Then use of Ballistic Missiles in the first hand on those targets will be an effective option. Also hitting presidential sites will be good for causing panic among many people. (Note it will include Airports and Airforce bases)

--> Airforce strikes then will be considered on Naval targets of enemy followed by attacks from large number of smaller boats. And no matter what you believe, it will take time for Europe to materalize an effective naval blockade in Medi. sea and it will be then too late.

--> Through Turkey a couple of light battalions will be sent for invasion. There the European ground forces will be able to halt them but a quick enough counter attack by better equiped brigades will push the Europeans back.

--> Suicide attacks will be planted inside Europe by large no. of agents to disrupt communications and cause more panic among civilians.

--> For counter offensive Europe could consider a counter attack from African side. But effective Gurreilla plans in place there will be able to slow them down.

--> Then second big wolly of Short Range Ballistic Missile strikes can be planted on that counter-invasion force of Europeans for adding more pressure to them.

--> Also on Egyptian Nile river, very strong counter measures can be made to halt any invasion. Large belt of military units with western weaponry can be placed there to effectively block any attempt of break-through by Europeans. Also some elements of Airforce can be used there for protection from skies.

--> Israel can be destroyed through use of few tactical nuke warheads.

--> More brigades will be sent through Turkish route to make it more difficult for nato forces to hold on. But a separate big wolly of SRBM strikes will be more moral-shattering for European troops.Thus there will be some serious causalties on both sides in this area but many parts of main European army will be destroyed as well. Making it a good option for futher-push in to Europe.

--> Note that the European most effective counter-offensive tool would be there good Airforce and Naval presence in the opening of Medi. River but very big tussle will be taking place in Medi. sea through Airforce and loss of aircraft on both sides on daily basis will be damaging for both.

--> Oil reserves cut for so long will be starting to cause some serious troubles in European industries but those can be some-how met through logistics support by there allies from other parts of the world.

--> Up-till now the conflict would be more in the favour of muslim forces. But then Nukes will be the last resort to save Europe and a massive Nuclear War can be triggered through Nuclear strikes from Missiles in to the main cities by both parties.

--> Finally no winner but losses would be incredible for both. As I mentioned it again and again.