The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 29




 
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February 25th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Hey gladius, some good points based on common ground scenarios there!

But personally many muslims take Europeans as good people due to there more friendly guestures (although Britons have to stop invading muslim countries along side USA). And the mentioned IMAM MEHDI would be a very good person. Indeed he will have very strong personality and also will be blessed with some natural traits (like prophets), according to the Islamic prophecies.

His skills will be used to end corruption in muslim nations and unite them once again in to a Islamic Super-state and turn them in to path of prosperity but that will happen through some serious dealings with traitors.

And it will be possible to do so, since IMAM MEHDI has a very strong Psychological impact in minds of most muslims.

So chill out MAN! there is no such war coming, I believe (but Britons should re-consider there policy).

NOTE: I can give you great details about his prophecies in personal !
Isn't one of the prophecies that the The Muslim armies will battle those under the Christian armies, and also that the Mahdi will conquer Jerusalem and destroy Rome.

So for him to be the true Mahdi doesn't he have to fullfill this, if doesn't then he is not the true Mahdi then is he?

So you can see where he will be stuck into starting a war whether he likes it or not.

Besides the whole world is supposed to convert into Islam after all this there are alot of people out there who are not willing to do this unless you threaten their lives even then alot of them would rather choose death.

So if he doesn't do all that the he would be a false Mahdi, not only that it also would prove those writings to be false.
gladius, I can understand your concern but I know better about the roles that real MEHDI will perform. I have got a documentary on 4 CD's ("The Hidden Truth") as an additional knowledge.

Believe me those are lies purported by some fanatics and it is not going to be like as you mentioned. And I already mentioned that muslims usually have good opinions for most Europeans (but British need more polishing)!

About the battle you speak off will be fought in "Middle East regions of Syria, Northern parts of SA and Turkey" at the same time as predicted by our last Prophet (P.B.U.H), whether you believe it or not. It would be a very big war between Romans (USA and Allies probably) and forces of IMAM MEHDI (that would also involve allies from East of Arabia). This war will be fought in 6 years period and would be in 3 Phases.

Both sides will commit massive forces (unlike the current wars we have seen) and Romans sole goal would be saving Modern Turkey (which will have a role in causing trouble for some muslim communities in future). And in the end of this great battle, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be captured by muslims.
February 25th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The biggest reason that a Conventional War isn't an effective option is that both sides have at least one country with nuclear weapons. The threat of mutual annihilation is sufficient deterence to any aspirations of old fashioned conquest. Until anti-ICBM and anti-missile systems become MUCH more effective, a conventional war would lead to nuclear exchange. "Okay, we're losing. Screw you then, we all get to die! You first."
February 25th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
The biggest reason that a Conventional War isn't an effective option is that both sides have at least one country with nuclear weapons. The threat of mutual annihilation is sufficient deterence to any aspirations of old fashioned conquest. Until anti-ICBM and anti-missile systems become MUCH more effective, a conventional war would lead to nuclear exchange. "Okay, we're losing. Screw you then, we all get to die! You first."
At least the Islamic side might ignite MAD, probably from Iranian grounds..
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February 26th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
You can't ignite MAD with a few atomic weapons. You need a lot of them to do it.
February 26th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
The biggest reason that a Conventional War isn't an effective option is that both sides have at least one country with nuclear weapons. The threat of mutual annihilation is sufficient deterence to any aspirations of old fashioned conquest. Until anti-ICBM and anti-missile systems become MUCH more effective, a conventional war would lead to nuclear exchange. "Okay, we're losing. Screw you then, we all get to die! You first."
Yes! this can be understood and as I mentioned that (the mystery of involvement of allies from East of Arabia on muslims side). So there will be Nuclear powers involved from both sides (Muslims and Romans). But that would serve as the deterent to keep the war conventional and the so-called big war will be fought in middle eastern regions. But the end will be shocking for even the best of generals; since Modern Turkey, Jerusalem and a few parts of current Europe will fall in to muslims hands.

But there is no probability of massive invasion of Europe by any foreign party!

The above mentioned big war (note: points to the war I described in my 2nd last post) is confirmed by Nostradamus, Bible and Islamic Hadith. But the ferosity of the battle differs to some extent in each case of prophecy. And also there are different visions of probably the same prophecy, so people analysis also changes (just like we have different opinions of any particular event that occurs in our times).

And note that emergence of Gog and Magog, is a different story and is more related to Isreal.

And also note that current world political situation involves Middle East as an important region to focus on and any major moves in this region invites world attention.
February 26th, 2005  
Xion
 
Islam would soon die out instead of spreading in Europe.There's too much hatred against the religion especially after all these terrorist attacks around the world.The ppl are fed up of orthodox extremist Islamic policies and teachings.
An invasion of Europe by Islamic nations sounds like a joke to me , the european powers combined can crush the islamic nations in a matter of days.
Someone talked about Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan grouping up...thats geographically impossible........and except Pakistan no other Islamic country has a military to be reckoned with except Turkey maybe.
February 26th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Islam would soon die out instead of spreading in Europe.There's too much hatred against the religion especially after all these terrorist attacks around the world.The ppl are fed up of orthodox extremist Islamic policies and teachings.
An invasion of Europe by Islamic nations sounds like a joke to me , the european powers combined can crush the islamic nations in a matter of days.
Someone talked about Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan grouping up...thats geographically impossible........and except Pakistan no other Islamic country has a military to be reckoned with except Turkey maybe.
Any crises paves way to new political enlightment rather then elimination. Islam has survived for decades and will continue to do so in the future. And the world is not fed up with muslims and instead the muslim population is growing with rapid pace (even increasing in Europe).

And you need to read a couple of posts back in this thread to check what points here were razed before coming towards the conclusion about any war.

And Iran, Pakistan and Turkey are three nations that have a force to be taken seriously. Apart from this many arab nations are arming themselves with latest western weaponry and that rings some bells as well.

And we are talking about a future scenario (rather then current world situation, which will change very quickly with muslims becoming stronger and you will see that too!)
February 26th, 2005  
Xion
 
Why will islam rise ? ...let me tell you if you are thinking how come theres such a huge number of muslims around the world , islam spread due to its aggressive nature.....i'm assuming you were born in pakistan...you would have been a hindu if the arabs did not invade India and convert you forcibly to Islam.....no one accpeted Islam because they liked it....it was forced upon them...Jammu and Kashmir was a hindu region until the arabs from west asia invaded it long ago slaughtering many a men , raping their women and converting the rest to Islam.
Islam is the youngest religion in the world ... compare Islam with Hinduism, Taoism , buddhism , Shintoism....all these date back at least 3000 years before Islam...
And the slaughtering hasn't stopped yet , just look around the world, and you'll notice whats the major cause of terrorism.
Islam in itself is not bad but the preachers of islam are fanatic.
But then there's another reason to wonder...why did these some religious leaders become fanatic....why has islam been so aggressive since its birth...i don't have an answer do you ?


Now regarding Pakistan , Turkey and Iran as powers to be reckoned with ..these nations would influence only other small nations and cannot intimidate major nations like USA, EU , Russia , China and India.And I don't think the ppl of these nations would sit still and just watch other Islamic countries group and plan an invasion.
February 26th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Originally Posted by Xion
Why will islam rise ? ...let me tell you if you are thinking how come theres such a huge number of muslims around the world , islam spread due to its aggressive nature.....i'm assuming you were born in pakistan...you would have been a hindu if the arabs did not invade India and convert you forcibly to Islam.....no one accpeted Islam because they liked it....it was forced upon them...Jammu and Kashmir was a hindu region until the arabs from west asia invaded it long ago slaughtering many a men , raping their women and converting the rest to Islam.
Islam is the youngest religion in the world ... compare Islam with Hinduism, Taoism , buddhism , Shintoism....all these date back at least 3000 years before Islam...
And the slaughtering hasn't stopped yet , just look around the world, and you'll notice whats the major cause of terrorism.
Islam in itself is not bad but the preachers of islam are fanatic.
But then there's another reason to wonder...why did these some religious leaders become fanatic....why has islam been so aggressive since its birth...i don't have an answer do you ?


Now regarding Pakistan , Turkey and Iran as powers to be reckoned with ..these nations would influence only other small nations and cannot intimidate major nations like USA, EU , Russia , China and India.And I don't think the ppl of these nations would sit still and just watch other Islamic countries group and plan an invasion.
Now I understand your point, but Islam spread through PEACE in some cases and then through Military Adventures in some cases as well. It all comes down to the type of muslim leader and also the behaviour of foreign parties. But I was pointing to population growth of muslims rather then spread of Islam.

But believe me it was fastest spreading religion in USA it-self (before 9/11) and situation changed later on but that does not effect muslim population growth in any way.

The age of religion does not indicate its success. Only christianity managed to become the largest religion but Islam is quickly gaining momentum (already the 2nd largest in the world).

Only USA and India pose strategic challenges for muslims. On the other hand Europe, Russia and China enjoy very good relations with most of the muslim nations today and are contributing to there military strengths as well.

As far as the strongest nations are concerned, they are focusing on making there countries un-conquerable by anyone rather then enforcing strategic challenges.

And muslims around the world are waiting for a charismatic leader to come and unite them. This leader would be the 12th caliph according to Islamic calender. And no force would be able to stop him on earth (whether anyone believes it or not because muslims will be not be the same again once he arrives)!
February 26th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
I don't think a well established religion with devoted followers like Islam will fade away... not any time in the forseeable future anyways.
I don't know if Islam will change much because Christianity is changing even faster. In fact, sometimes a bit too fast it seems. Christianity in general is in a bit of a rough patch right now. The place that Christianity really took off, Europe, is looking to shed it. It's been dealt a severe blow in America with the child molestation cases. Despite what the world thinks of Islam, I think Islam right now is going stronger than Christianity because of what's going on within the two religions themselves.
The ultimate clash in terms of ideologies may actually be secularism vs Islam.

I don't know if Russia has good relations with Islamic countries. After all, there is a conflict with the Muslim Chechnyans that seems to have no end.