The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe!

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

The right altitude for such a blast would not be wise because the prevailing winds will cause most of the radioactive fallout to land on Arab countries. Also exploding a nuke over any of U.S. allies will cause the U.S. to nuke that country.

Like I outlined no one will die from the blast.

"Few if any people would die right away" ---this is from the scientist who testified in the congressional hearing.

This type of nuclear explosion is NOT meant to do direct damage.

Some of you need to read my entire post on this subject, so that way you can make more informed comments.

If any people were to die it will be from cancer a decade later (if that), but simply taking Potassium Iodide tablets will protect people from this type of radiation.



Here is additional information from a website on nuclear weapons effects;

A nuclear bomb detonated at that altitude will not damage living tissue, will not cause significant radiation fallout and is not a health threat to the population.

The purpose of this explosion is to damage critical electrical circuitry in our retaliatory defense weapons and our military communications capabilities.

http://www.disastershelters.net/weapons.html

I've not read the previous messages on this thread but I'm betting u're talking about EMP here. So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.

Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.

 

[gladius]

So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.

If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.

Besides if they are using old Soviet equipment, some if not alot of those equipment was built with EMP in mind, using vacuum tubes which are resistant to EMP.

They don't live in the stone age, but their society as a whole is not reliant on technology as the West is, so they will be able to adapt better to such an attack.

Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.

You can hope radar will pick it up.

When it does, is there even a reliable anti-ballistic missle defense in place?

If there is, then it will need to stop it in the upper atmosphere where it will be detonated.

Like I said if those armies are already lined across the border then a hit in the Middle East will not much good agaisnt them.

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.

You are contradicting yourself. How can they launch an EMP moments BEFORE invading Europe, but after a lot of their roces will ALREADY BE inside Europe? Having a troops presence in Europe constitutes an invasion. How do you suggest would their forces breach European defense perimeters?

Furthermore, middle eastern militaries rely on Russian as well as European and American equipment

 

[Chocobo_Blitzer]

I think he's talking about guarilla or rather terrorists cells already implanted in Europe before the invasion or EMP blast.

 

[gladius]

If within Europe, yes guerillas and terrorist cells, even regular Muslims already living in Europe who want to partake in the final jihad.

You are contradicting yourself. How can they launch an EMP moments BEFORE invading Europe, but after a lot of their roces will ALREADY BE inside Europe? Having a troops presence in Europe constitutes an invasion. How do you suggest would their forces breach European defense perimeters?

I'm not contradicting myself.

The enemy forces will be massed at the border (they havent crossed yet).

Right before attack across the border begins, the EMP is launched.

After the EMP is detonated, the enemy will start their vehicles, and at a pre-determined time a coordinated assualt is launched across the border.

The shock and confusion to command and control as well as civilian populace will help the invaders.

Even if the European military sector is not too affected, the civilian sector will be, this will delay reinforcements and full mobilization into a wartime economic footing.

At the same time in-country terrorist already living in Europe will strike causing even further havoc, helping the invaders.

Furthermore, middle eastern militaries rely on Russian as well as European and American equipment

No kidding.

They already bought the equipment, what are the Europeans going say? "Here's your money back, hand over the equipment, now!"

Like I said if equipment is turned OFF or unpluged it has a good chance of surving the EMP blast which only last for a fraction of a second.

The less sophisticated and the less reliant it is on electronic circuitry, the more chances of survival even when turned on.

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

If within Europe, yes guerillas and terrorist cells, even regular Muslims already living in Europe who want to partake in the final jihad.



I'm not contradicting myself.

The enemy forces will be massed at the border (they havent crossed yet).

Right before attack across the border begins, the EMP is launched.

After the EMP is detonated, the enemy will start their vehicles, and at a pre-determined time a coordinated assualt is launched across the border.

The shock and confusion to command and control as well as civilian populace will help the invaders.

Even if the European military sector is not too affected, the civilian sector will be, this will delay reinforcements and full mobilization into a wartime economic footing.

At the same time in-country terrorist already living in Europe will strike causing even further havoc, helping the invaders.

No kidding.

They already bought the equipment, what are the Europeans going say? "Here's your money back, hand over the equipment, now!"

Like I said if equipment is turned OFF or unpluged it has a good chance of surving the EMP blast which only last for a fraction of a second.

The less sophisticated and the less reliant it is on electronic circuitry, the more chances of survival even when turned on.

Terrorist suspects and suspected al Qaeda members are often arrested throughout Europe. Even if all the surviving members did stage some simultaneous attacks, they would not be able to seriously harm European economy or military installations. Sure, they could kill a few thousand people, but in a war, this is not a table-turning event.

Are you assuming European intelligence services, AWACs and whatnot will not notice a huge massing of troops outside Europe's borders until the launch of the EMP ordnance? Also, are you going to be more specific about borders? Do you mean the Bosporus? The straight of Gibralter? The entire North-African coast? Byelorussia, Russia, the Ukraine and Balkans???

You said it yourself: Switching equipment off could spare it from an EMP. If said missile is detected by European air surveillance, and everybody has been warned of the possibility of such an attack, they could quickly broadcast warnings on all frequencies causing everybody who listens to shut down their electronic equipment.

I mentioned American and European equipment among middle eastern armed forces in response to your claim that most of their forces will be immune since they use Soviet equipment that is immune to EMP. Nothing to do with money-back policies.

 

[Doc.S]

Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe

*Applauds gladius scenario*

Was it worth waiting for?

The obvious answer YES sir! :shock:

Well sorry for my slow reaction, Internet does not always function as it should unfortunately. I can only imagine what would happen with an EMP in the skies and a simultaneous attack from the inside and from the outside in.

Well this was indeed head on mate. I could not have seen this scenario myself to be honest. It is a genius behind that keyboard boys. :lol:

First of all this scenario is probably the one that would work IRL to be honest. It would make our forces a helpless victim of development. After years of amateur studies regarding our future weapons I now understand soviet armour better then ever have when it comes to their widespread protection when it concerns nuclear elements, and that can explain another thing, the long term thinking behind rather inexpensive soviet arms within this countrys that we today seems to attack from left to right. - "Preventive strikes someone?" -

These weapons today are not a sweeping threat on the modern and conventional battle field, but what IF Saddam Hussein with his massive army would still have been in power and this Mhadi scenario with Iran and other Muslim countrys joined up?. The best candidate for this today, since Iraq is gone, Iran would have developed this EMP bomb and drooped it over Europe with a Tupolev 22 bomber. Well goodbye!, farewell! Europe!

No one thought that Adolf Hitler would overrun France and the rest of Europe as he did in 1940 eather. Well this is the Islamic extremist D-Day plan that would work not only in theory but also in practice for sure, I am 100% certain of it. I can only see what would happen to my country if we were hit. This country would need weeks to get on their feets again. Why? The great storm this winter paralysed major parts of this country for weeks because of our bad infrastructure and bad maintenance of our forests. We Import allot of our energy from the rest of Europe too so an EMP bomb would have its effect even here in sweden I tell you guys.

The traffic chaos, and all that would turn this part of the world into a living hell. Ppl wonder how this attack actually could be simultaneous? See >> Terrorist populace- or read this - Well the answer is very simple really. Only in Germany there is a Muslim population over 3 million ppl. regarding to Dhammi Watch the slaying of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh allegedly by an Islamic radical raised alarm in next-door Germany and other parts of Europe. The murder on this Dutch filmmaker and its consequences should have been an early warning sign to all skeptical ppl in Europe. One murder imagine thousands of dead civilians all in the name of Mhadi. *Use your imagination*

As a sign of a tolerant, multicultural society we have also opened our gates towards this centurys maybe most devastating conflicts to come. BUT that is IF this Mhadi ever turns up! The crusades would be reiterate but this time in a convert direction. This time towards the western Christian values and not the East.

I am not as optimistic as gladius is when it comes to our European police and military efforts to save this part of the world. Systems as the Land Warrior would not help us in our urban terrain battles. This would be a mixed WW2 scenario and crusade, this time even worse, because an AK-47 is a deadly weapon in the hands of fanatic warriors - points at Iraq - that weapon would be used in large quantitys as fast as the reinforcements would arrive on European grounds. Even out of date soviet built tanks would be as effective as our best Leopard A5 tanks are today, because they would probably be out of action since the EMP bomb would have taken care of our hight tech weapon arsenal pretty quick I'm afraid.

I don't think that police officers and regular army units will stop this Mhadi to be honest. You would never IMHO be able to halt this wave of Islamic terror without braking our own civilised rules. We would die or convert and they would win for sure. There is a time after a war too. And that time would not include tolerant, multicultural societys anymore, to much blood would be spilled, the death of the perfect Utopia of socialist democratic ruling would be here. And it is nothing you can do about it today without turning this part of the world to a super fascist police state all in red.

For obvious reasons there are nothing more to talk about when it comes to this scenario from my point of view. For me it is crystal clear. Anyone with a little bit of instinct of self-preservation would accept this and do as I will do in the future. Pack my bags and get the hell out of Europe before it is to late. :lol:

Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:

 

[Corocotta]

If this invasion ever comes through it will be an extermination war....everybody in very town of Europe will fight against the invasors, we are almost 400 million people, we will fight to dead. We have an example of this: the invasion of Spain in the year 711, we needed 800 years to eliminate the invasor but we finally did it. We can not subestimate the power,physical and pysiquical force of the european people.

 

[Doc.S]

Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Eu

Interesting point of view staurofilakes Indeed.

I can only talk for what I think would happened in sweden. We have not been in a war since 1814 when we conquered our Norwegian neighbor (almost 200 years). All this modern stuff and years of peace without any breaks, a person needs to know that sweden today is a over tolerant, multicultural society that has banned allot of our customs and culture to avoid culture-collisions and to destroy far right surfs and culture pride more then in sport context. I think I have taken the right temperature on the swedish ppl today, and to be honest I find them flabby and completely incapable of defending themself from this type of violence for sure.

They would not die - they would more likely lay down arms and convert after a while. A minority would probably try to defend and resist the invaders but in the end loose and tracked down by fifth colonists where they would be put at best in a Islamic type of Haag court before they would be shoot or hanged as traitors or terrorists (infidels) as an example for others that are tempted to follow in their footsteps . I don't know how it is with Spain today, but they are probably a bit different also in their physical and psychic force from their last fight for freedom don't you think?

Most Sincerely:
Doc.S
:viking:

 

[Missileer]

So what's the big deal? This "Empire" launches an EMP device over some European military installation so none of their electronic stuff works anymore. Big deal. French and British forces will then retaliate by launching multiple EMP devices on the "Empire's" most important military installations. Remember that despite Arab countries' eqipment being generally less advanced than that of most European countries, they don't live in the stone age; they do rely on electronic equipment as much as Europe does.

If they launch an EMP it will be moments before they invade Europe. Alot of forces will already be inside Europe an EMP over Arabia will not affect these forces. For Europe to stop these they will have to lauch another one over their own heads which they won't do since it will hinder them even more.


Besides if they are using old Soviet equipment, some if not alot of those equipment was built with EMP in mind, using vacuum tubes which are resistant to EMP.

They don't live in the stone age, but their society as a whole is not reliant on technology as the West is, so they will be able to adapt better to such an attack.

Okay I've read some of the previous posts now. So you only need one EMP to knock out an entire continent? Plz forgive me for bein skeptical about this. But even if it is true, I hope European radar will pick it up giving the British and French enough time to respond to knock out the middle east, or whatever region the attack originates.

You can hope radar will pick it up.

When it does, is there even a reliable anti-ballistic missle defense in place?

If there is, then it will need to stop it in the upper atmosphere where it will be detonated.

Like I said if those armies are already lined across the border then a hit in the Middle East will not much good agaisnt them.

There are some vacuum tubes left but they never advanced to the type of circuitry needed in computerized equipment. I suspect that enough vacuum tubes to build a four function calculator would not fit in a large room.

 

[gladius]

There are some vacuum tubes left but they never advanced to the type of circuitry needed in computerized equipment. I suspect that enough vacuum tubes to build a four function calculator would not fit in a large room.

The vacuum tubes found in Soviet equipment (such as found in the MIG that defected) aren't meant to do calculations, just simple basic operations to keep gear work after an EMP strike.

I'll try to post more on EMP effects later, if chance to (since I've been studying up on it). The reports are conflicting though.

If this invasion ever comes through it will be an extermination war....

It may well come down to that. Either that or "convert or die!"

No one thought that Adolf Hitler would overrun France and the rest of Europe as he did in 1940 eather.

That seem to be the case here too. the fact that some people don't believe or even take this seriously adds to the chances of this actually happening. If they did steps can be taken even now to prevent or minimize the damage, but I don't think thats going to happen at the present time.

Right now you still have time Doc (you and 13th_Rendeck), around 10 to 20 years IMO.
When you start to hear rumors and news about some Muslim holyman starting to unite the different countries over there, then it will be time to worry.

This would be a mixed WW2 scenario and crusade, this time even worse,...

Yes, just like you said.

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

IRT Doc S.: Iran doesn't have any Tupolew 22 bombers. A personal question if I may: Do you hate muslims, or foreigners? Because you make it seem as if the entire muslim population of Europe would act as some kind of "5th column" in this already unlikely conflict.



One Muslim holy man is not going to unify the muslim world and you know it. Furhermore, I already pointed out the second major flaw in your scenario: The fact that a massive troop buildup would go unnoticed.

Also...why would this Empire want to conquer Europe? There is only one power with the ability to conquer Europe in the forseeable future: the United States.

 

[gladius]

Terrorist suspects and suspected al Qaeda members are often arrested throughout Europe. Even if all the surviving members did stage some simultaneous attacks, they would not be able to seriously harm European economy or military installations. Sure, they could kill a few thousand people, but in a war, this is not a table-turning event.

The attack will not only come from just the terrorist cells themselves, it will come from the general Muslim populace as a whole.

Just say there are 5 million Muslims in a country, lets be consevative and say only 10% answer the call to final jihad (I think more will), 10% will still equal to 500,000 fanatics wreaking havoc. If each one were to kill one European that would be 500,000 dead Europeans. Let's say they are not that lucky and only 1 in 5 kills a European that still would equal to 100,000 dead Europeans. Not to mention the chaos and confusion it will cause, drawing resources from the military that will be needed at the front.

Are you assuming European intelligence services, AWACs and whatnot will not notice a huge massing of troops outside Europe's borders until the launch of the EMP ordnance? Also, are you going to be more specific about borders? Do you mean the Bosporus? The straight of Gibralter? The entire North-African coast? Byelorussia, Russia, the Ukraine and Balkans???

I wasn't assuming anything, the EU will know they are massing at the border.

They will mass at the Turkish border. With their myriad of cheap naval vessles on standby to take the Med simultaineously, to try and open up a second and third front (Spain and Italy). If anything else simply to draw resources away form the main attack.

Even in that seemingly small space at the Turrkish border about a 100 miles wide, they could mass several army groups. They could lauch some 400 to 1000 divisions against the West possibly only around 40-60 divisions at this time before full mobilization can take place. The EMP will futher delay mobilization by weeks if not months. This will be the time then need to out attrition these forces for an eventual break through.

The EMP in combination with in-country jihadist will buy them time to do what they need to do.

Another side-effect of the nuclear EMP blast, will be to supercharge the ionosphere, wrecking most if not all radio transmissions for days if not weeks

This will actually hamper NATO command and control to coordinate a defense. The enemy on the other hand can go by pre-set battleplans until the airwaves clear up. With the number of men they have, they can afford for not having all those plans work out, but no doubt some will.

You said it yourself: Switching equipment off could spare it from an EMP. If said missile is detected by European air surveillance, and everybody has been warned of the possibility of such an attack, they could quickly broadcast warnings on all frequencies causing everybody who listens to shut down their electronic equipment.

Your assuming that there is EMP defense plan in place, right now there isn't one.

I could see it happening within the military, but as far as the civilian sector goes it would be extremely difficult to near impossible. You are talking about shutting down every single power grid across Europe, thats just for starters, that doesn't include railway, vehicles, and airliners.

If they were to put an EMP defense plan in place they would have to take this threat very very seriously, considering what thay have to do.

Most likely they won't. My biggest proof of this right now, is actually YOU. You--yourself aren't even taking this seriously enough, how do you expect the whole rest of liberal minded Europe will take this threat. They won't. Chances are there won't be an EMP defense plan, not for the civilian sector.

I mentioned American and European equipment among middle eastern armed forces in response to your claim that most of their forces will be immune since they use Soviet equipment that is immune to EMP. Nothing to do with money-back policies.

No offense, but I was being sarcastic.

Simply stated the less electronically dependent the equipement, the more chaces to survive an EMP attack.

I actually mention a while back in one of the post that alot of their gear may come from the West, however the vast majority will still be Russian/Soviet stuff.

But considering the amount of men they have, even if only a small precentage of their gear is from the West, that could very well still mean they have as much Western main battle tanks as the EU itself, that alone is a threat.

Basicly what I see for the overall picture ---everything, or just about everything will be going against the EU (both politically and militarily) to conduct a proper defense to stop this at the onset. Maybe later they can mount a proper defense, but not before full mobilization has occured.

 

[gladius]

One Muslim holy man is not going to unify the muslim world and you know it. Furhermore, I already pointed out the second major flaw in your scenario: The fact that a massive troop buildup would go unnoticed.

Have you even read the start of this thread?

One Muslim holy man IS going to unify the whole Muslim world.

And I never said Muslim troops would go unoticed. How are you going to hide several Army groups?

Also...why would this Empire want to conquer Europe?

1. Mohammed said so.

2. The Mahdi, the one who unites this empire is prophesied to do so, so he must follow it or hes in trouble.

3. Food, loot, money, land, blonde European women to be sex slaves for Muslims.

4. Revenge against the secular West and the "Christian Arch enemy".

There is only one power with the ability to conquer Europe in the forseeable future: the United States.

Lol. You're not serious are you. The US may have the ability to do so, but they have more to lose than gain by this. Hahahaha as an American I tell you this ain't going to happen.

 

[Doc.S]

Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Eu

Borat Sagdiyev:

A personal question if I may: Do you hate muslims, or foreigners? Because you make it seem as if the entire muslim population of Europe would act as some kind of "5th column" in this already unlikely conflict.

:lol:

Well the left use to talk that way when they don't have anything more to add. Look the 5th column would be all ppl that they convert, that is fellow countrymen and re-built or temporary organizations such with new faith or doctrine. Do I hate foreigners? Well if I was a 5th column I don't think I would hate myself. If I hate muslims? Well that is a rather silly question. But the personal question needs an answer. I don't hate anyone, but an enemy is still an enemy and as long as they don't try to kill my wife, my little sister - my family my friends or my dog because they may refuse to subject themselves to Islam when Mr Mhadi shows up. Well then I can play along as everybody else do until Mhadi prophecy may be a reality. 8)

For the record:
I dislike Neo-Nazis
and I dislike far left ppl.
But I don't hate them.
Hate is a strong word.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


Cheers:
Doc.S
:viking:

 

[Missileer]

Let's get something cleared up about electromagnetic pulses. Equipment does not have to be on to be destroyed. That is a movie stunt. Electromagnetism uses it's field strength to induce voltages high enough to destroy electronic devices. The only way to survive a large EMP is to have circuitry in enough magnetic shielding to attenuate or short out the magnetic field. That is going to take one hell of a Mu metal faraday cage. The pulse will be gone in a matter of milliseconds but "cat whiskers" in semiconductors are so small that they will fuse in micro or even picoseconds. They are made of the purest gold for low resistances and melt or fuse quickly.

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

The attack will not only come from just the terrorist cells themselves, it will come from the general Muslim populace as a whole.

Just say there are 5 million Muslims in a country, lets be consevative and say only 10% answer the call to final jihad (I think more will), 10% will still equal to 500,000 fanatics wreaking havoc. If each one were to kill one European that would be 500,000 dead Europeans. Let's say they are not that lucky and only 1 in 5 kills a European that still would equal to 100,000 dead Europeans. Not to mention the chaos and confusion it will cause, drawing resources from the military that will be needed at the front.

Call me a liberal or whatnot, but I don't believe more than 0.01% of European muslims would risk their lives for such a looney cause.

I wasn't assuming anything, the EU will know they are massing at the border.

They will mass at the Turkish border. With their myriad of cheap naval vessles on standby to take the Med simultaineously, to try and open up a second and third front (Spain and Italy). If anything else simply to draw resources away form the main attack.

Even in that seemingly small space at the Turrkish border about a 100 miles wide, they could mass several army groups. They could lauch some 400 to 1000 divisions against the West possibly only around 40-60 divisions at this time before full mobilization can take place. The EMP will futher delay mobilization by weeks if not months. This will be the time then need to out attrition these forces for an eventual break through.

The EMP in combination with in-country jihadist will buy them time to do what they need to do.

Another side-effect of the nuclear EMP blast, will be to supercharge the ionosphere, wrecking most if not all radio transmissions for days if not weeks

This will actually hamper NATO command and control to coordinate a defense. The enemy on the other hand can go by pre-set battleplans until the airwaves clear up. With the number of men they have, they can afford for not having all those plans work out, but no doubt some will.

These points appear somewhat valid but everything is sketchy at best...then again, so is most hypothetical stuff?

Your assuming that there is EMP defense plan in place, right now there isn't one.

I could see it happening within the military, but as far as the civilian sector goes it would be extremely difficult to near impossible. You are talking about shutting down every single power grid across Europe, thats just for starters, that doesn't include railway, vehicles, and airliners.

If they were to put an EMP defense plan in place they would have to take this threat very very seriously, considering what thay have to do.

Most likely they won't. My biggest proof of this right now, is actually YOU. You--yourself aren't even taking this seriously enough, how do you expect the whole rest of liberal minded Europe will take this threat. They won't. Chances are there won't be an EMP defense plan, not for the civilian sector.

Biggest proof? Unfortunately I' m not the Supreme Commander of EU armed forces (although my avatar depicts the GLA Leader from the game Command & Comquer Generals, the GLA being one of the three world powers in the game). If I was, I would certainly attempt to implement some EMP countermeasures and I'd try to push politicians to also have civilian emergency EMP procedures. But I still don't believe an attack such as the one you describe is probable at all.

No offense, but I was being sarcastic.

Yeh, yeah, I gathered that, just wanted 2 make sure you undestood my point

But considering the amount of men they have, even if only a small precentage of their gear is from the West, that could very well still mean they have as much Western main battle tanks as the EU itself, that alone is a threat.

Muslim countries don't have as many of the latest generation western battletanks (e.g. M1, Leclerc, Leo2) as Europe does. Germany alone has over 2000 Leo2 (they are also employed by Sweden and the Netherlands), France has several hundred Leclerc and I think Britain has over 1000 Challenger 2 and Italy has a few hundred C1.

Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have a few hundred Abrams, Oman or Qatar or both have some Leclercs. The other western battletanks they have are obsolete, like Leo1 or M60 tanks.

Have you even read the start of this thread?

One Muslim holy man IS going to unify the whole Muslim world.

Only if you believe in prophesies that have been written down over 1000 years ago by someone who was having an acid trip (or whatever hallucinogenic they had at the time), which I don't.

1. Mohammed said so.

2. The Mahdi, the one who unites this empire is prophesied to do so, so he must follow it or hes in trouble.

3. Food, loot, money, land, blonde European women to be sex slaves for Muslims.

4. Revenge against the secular West and the "Christian Arch enemy".

1. Mohammed lived 1400 years ago. Whatever he said is pretty outdated.

2. Read my point above.

3. Not all muslim men regard women as totally inferior and stuff. For that they wouldn't risk a war against a power like Europe which isn't even threatening them that seriously.

4. I thought the "Christian Arch enemy" was mainly the USA.

Lol. You're not serious are you. The US may have the ability to do so, but they have more to lose than gain by this. Hahahaha as an American I tell you this ain't going to happen.

I never said America had the intention or will to conquer Europe, only the capability. 8)

Basicly what I see for the overall picture ---everything, or just about everything will be going against the EU (both politically and militarily) to conduct a proper defense to stop this at the onset. Maybe later they can mount a proper defense, but not before full mobilization has occured.

Okay let's make a deal. If this kind of attack doesn't happen within the next 20 years, I get to laugh at you on this message board and if it does....well let's say I won't have access to a working computer for you to laff at me. So I win either way

 

[Corocotta]

IRT Doc S.: Iran doesn't have any Tupolew 22 bombers. A personal question if I may: Do you hate muslims, or foreigners? Because you make it seem as if the entire muslim population of Europe would act as some kind of "5th column" in this already unlikely conflict.

We can not forget that the Islam has always been the traditional enemy of Europe. In Spain we have this recorded in our mental background. They do not attack us because they are not powerful enough, in their eyes we are infiels.
I never liked this leftist politically correct language. It seems that european people have to be always kind, let everybody get in our land, change our costumes,accept their costumes without complaining scared of being called racist. If any european goes to a muslim country MUST accept their law/rules/costumes, and if he doesn´t he might pay a very high price.
Here in Europe we live in wonderland, in a bouble. We think that WWII is goint to be the last war in europe....probably wrong.

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

Re: Re-The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Eu

No

Okay so that's not a proper quote, but that's the message I got from you, right?

Of course there is a difference between hating people for their beliefs and hating them out of fear that they may attack you. Anyway, I do find their religion as a whole, and indeed any religion, pretty dumb, but everyone should have the right to believe what they want to believe. Flame me if you must :lol:

 

[Mohmar Deathstrike]

We can not forget that the Islam has always been the traditional enemy of Europe. In Spain we have this recorded in our mental background. They do not attack us because they are not powerful enough, in their eyes we are infiels.
I never liked this leftist politically correct language. It seems that european people have to be always kind, let everybody get in our land, change our costumes,accept their costumes without complaining scared of being called racist. If any european goes to a muslim country MUST accept their law/rules/costumes, and if he doesn´t he might pay a very high price.
Here in Europe we live in wonderland, in a bouble. We think that WWII is goint to be the last war in europe....probably wrong.

Have you ever had any negative experience with muslim people that you feel was due to religious differences?

Even though I shouldn't draw generalizations, all interactions I had with muslim people were not fundamentally different from that of non-muslims. But that doesn't mean I should have a negative prejudice either. Do you really think most people would rather die in a war against Europe rather than try to live fairly normal lives? Don't bring up Palestine or U.S.-coalition-occupied countries cause that's a very different issue.