The rising of an Empire and the future invasion of Europe! - Page 18




 
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October 11th, 2004  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by KAMIKAZI
The thing I doubt about a greater muslim empire is that these countries are fighting amongst themselves all the time, I cannot see them uniting,
They won't unite.

You should have read the thread more carefully.

They won't unite, until the Mahdi shows up, he will be the one to unite them. It's their prophecy that will drive them to this war, in order to legitimize their religion.

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and also Israel, Israel has immensly advanced Nuclear weaponry, the most advanced I dare say even more than those of the US and UK, if Israel felt threatened I tell you they would nuke their opposition flat in self defence, they would also protect Europe.
I don't think Israels nuclear delivery system is more advanced that the US or UK, however thats beside the point.
But like I have explained this before, the West and most likely Israel will not use their nukes if there as long as there is still any hope of victory. Even though they have better delivery systems they are probably not willing to risk a retaliatory strike, by a backpack nuke or something like that.
October 12th, 2004  
Bratwurst
 
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Germany who has swore an oath to their public not to produce nuclear arms due to World War worries (not that they would do another war because they are much to nice independent people now )
Precisely.

This does not change the fact that Germans could have a nuclear program up and running in no time at all. No doubt faster than the fictional "Ottoman Empire" reemerging and paddling praying carpets through the Mediterranean. Don't forget who invented the $%& thing...

The sole reason that the European military does not match the capability of some other countries (mainly of course the US) is, that they divert funding into crazy things like health care and a social system. If ever an imminent threat would arise however, rest assured, they would be prepared. 8)

Industry and tech, timing for military buildup, alliances, knowhow and experience is what matters, if a country is preparing for war. And although the experience Europe may meanwhile lack (other than warfaring UK), in respect to all the other factors they can rest assured and drink their nice beer.

And yes, the Germans, as well as the vast majority of Europeans, are "nice" and independant people now, since their outlook on the modern world is not motivated by shooting up people of different conviction anymore. And they will defend this. Different religions are respected there. As a result they have a large and peaceful muslim community, that would take up arms against invading islamic fundamentalist freaks (not that they would even need to).

"Nice" they may be, pacifistic because they managed to learn out of their many brutal and senseless wars, but this does not mean they would be helpless if anyone tries to disturb this enlightened age of peace.

The only ones that could threaten Europe in this century are the US, Russia, China and Aliens. Russia and Europe will be close partners, strenghtening their bond, China is and will continue to be a respected trading partner, the US is (still) considered a friend in ideals and even though relations may momentarily be strained, war is unthinkable.

So, my Ottoman friend, dream on...

Cheers
Sven
October 12th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Bratwurst
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Germany who has swore an oath to their public not to produce nuclear arms due to World War worries (not that they would do another war because they are much to nice independent people now )
Precisely.

This does not change the fact that Germans could have a nuclear program up and running in no time at all. No doubt faster than the fictional "Ottoman Empire" reemerging and paddling praying carpets through the Mediterranean. Don't forget who invented the $%& thing...

The sole reason that the European military does not match the capability of some other countries (mainly of course the US) is, that they divert funding into crazy things like health care and a social system. If ever an imminent threat would arise however, rest assured, they would be prepared. 8)

Industry and tech, timing for military buildup, alliances, knowhow and experience is what matters, if a country is preparing for war. And although the experience Europe may meanwhile lack (other than warfaring UK), in respect to all the other factors they can rest assured and drink their nice beer.

And yes, the Germans, as well as the vast majority of Europeans, are "nice" and independant people now, since their outlook on the modern world is not motivated by shooting up people of different conviction anymore. And they will defend this. Different religions are respected there. As a result they have a large and peaceful muslim community, that would take up arms against invading islamic fundamentalist freaks (not that they would even need to).

"Nice" they may be, pacifistic because they managed to learn out of their many brutal and senseless wars, but this does not mean they would be helpless if anyone tries to disturb this enlightened age of peace.

The only ones that could threaten Europe in this century are the US, Russia, China and Aliens. Russia and Europe will be close partners, strenghtening their bond, China is and will continue to be a respected trading partner, the US is (still) considered a friend in ideals and even though relations may momentarily be strained, war is unthinkable.

So, my Ottoman friend, dream on...

Cheers
Sven
I agree. It's a danger to mistake peacetime policies and focus as weakness. If say Germany were threatened with invasion I think you'd see an entirely different Germany. Instead of making BMW, Porsche and Mercedes cars they'd be making Leopard 2s and the like. Germany, France and the UK for example could be likened together as a 'sleeping giant'. Germany alone was able to dominate the whole continent of Europe twice in the last century for periods of time. Alongside France, UK and others it would be extremely difficult for a Madhi led army to win a conventional war, not withstanding the not insignificant problem of logistics for said army.

Russia is now firmly on the side of the West and I do not see that changing. China too is now organising itself along capitalist lines. All these countries along with Europe, US, Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand and India would likely be ranged against the Madhi. How can he possibly win? All of the G8 countries would be against him. That is massive industrial and economic power that would be utterly decisive.
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October 12th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Course you're forgetting the power of internal NBCs.... that would be the only hope, IMO...
October 12th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
This thread has been quite educational to me. I was one of those that worried a good bit about an Islamic Superstate with aspirations of global domination. This thread has given me a medium in which to consider the reality of the threat and the unreality as well. Ultimately, I find that I'm a lot less worried about it all right this moment.
October 14th, 2004  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Russia is now firmly on the side of the West and I do not see that changing. China too is now organising itself along capitalist lines. All these countries along with Europe, US, Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand and India would likely be ranged against the Madhi. How can he possibly win? All of the G8 countries would be against him. That is massive industrial and economic power that would be utterly decisive.
I agree with you I don't think he will win. However some of these countries may be slow to act, eventually they will defeat the Mahdi, but the price to do so will most likely be very high, this is what I have been trying to say.
October 14th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Europe, Russia, and China would probably move too slow.

Not all of Europe, though, there are smart ones like Poland, Italy, etc.....
October 15th, 2004  
Brotchador
 
 
Gladius, where does this prophecy thing put asia in general? with or against the west? as you know we face the same situation here in the Philippines against muslims, and it has already taken hundreds of thousands of lives.
October 15th, 2004  
Lupos
 
 
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Originally Posted by brotchador
Gladius, where does this prophecy thing put asia in general? with or against the west? as you know we face the same situation here in the Philippines against muslims, and it has already taken hundreds of thousands of lives.
As far as I know, the Philippines is still an ally of the US and other Western countries. You will be on our side, and even if those totalitarian b@stards manage to take the Philippines somehow, and this is IF, then you are more than likely to have a resistance on our side. When we say the west, we mean the modern world so almost all of far east Asia counts as the West.
October 15th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Hmm, I heard somewhere it was just "the east" asian, and middle-east.

China, North Korea, and muslim extremist in southern asia would be the problem. I don't see asia united against the west or anything, lol.