Rice urges Europe to not help arm China - Page 6




 
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Boots
 
March 24th, 2005  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: So...


Zyca, we have fundamental differences in ownership of TW. You can argue TW was never in any association with China from history to present, while many others disagree with your notion. Some also argue that China relinquished its rights of TW when Communist took over. I don't believe in changing of political system can determine legal separation of certain province or state from its original map.

Many of you also played the scenario if KMT won the war. And you agree that TW would still belong to KMT China. Once again, if the role reversed, Communists retreated to TW, what do you think KMT and its allies would do to Communist TW? It is easy to change rules in the middle of nowhere to suit certain interests, no?
March 24th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbanboy
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anyway back to topic:

the chinese diplomat minister laughed when a reporter asked about the weapons bann. he said: why should we buy them?:

mod edit: After what Redneck said, you shouldn't have posted anything off topic. If you continue to ignore the rules as well as the mods, you will reveive a temp ban

Can China produce it own weapons??
March 24th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
It's not to be underestimated but it is behind the US and Europe in terms of the cutting edge technology.
Believe me, if China can buy they WILL buy.
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March 24th, 2005  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: Hmmmm....


Everybody wants to buy cutting edgy stuffs, no? Why argue the obvious. You buy what you are not good at and learn from these purchased items. It's been done throughout history.

Urbanboy, if China in no need of weapons, why bothered with the arm ban.
March 24th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
We're trying to do something to urbanboy something that we've done to countless members of this board in the past... prove them the obvious. I won't name anyone but I think most people who've been here a while knows who I'm talking about.
March 24th, 2005  
Zyca
 
 

Topic: Re: So...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Boobies
Zyca, we have fundamental differences in ownership of TW. You can argue TW was never in any association with China from history to present, while many others disagree with your notion. Some also argue that China relinquished its rights of TW when Communist took over. I don't believe in changing of political system can determine legal separation of certain province or state from its original map.

Many of you also played the scenario if KMT won the war. And you agree that TW would still belong to KMT China. Once again, if the role reversed, Communists retreated to TW, what do you think KMT and its allies would do to Communist TW? It is easy to change rules in the middle of nowhere to suit certain interests, no?
I am going to take the mod's advice and stay away from off-topic. If we find another topic specifically dealing with this we shall try to discuss more. Your last question should direct to both China and Taiwan, as both are changing rules (adding laws, etc.). But you are right, changing rules to suit interests seem to be a rather popular strategy
March 24th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
1. euro weapons are prob gonna cost alot of money, why buy when we could make our own

2. production of weapons by one's own country's industrial might presents a greater national feeling in soldiers and civilians alike

3. the bann on euro weapons is a slap in the face, it is a barrier between chinese and euro contact, without this bann the communications and realtionship sbetween euro and china will greatly improve.

4. euro weapons arent very compatiable with the current systems, besides a great diversity, or too much diversity in weapons is almost as bad as nondiverse source of weapons
March 25th, 2005  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: Ok...


Urban, I don't agree with you. No matter how much China can produce, it does not prove that China has proficiencies and capabilities to produce tier one weapons. And it is always wise to learn from others because you may not have what it takes to achieve competitive advantages (economics/business). China has the bodies and good if not excellent trainings, yet it lacks sophisticated equipments to reach the top state.

The US, Britain, and Israel (not mentioning other countries because limited knowledges, sorry) all have top notch trainings from real-life combats and they are the most combat efficient militaries in the world. With these said, their militaries still credit the importance of sophisticated and precise equipments along with trainings. China is lack of these elements. I am sure China wants to buy EU's weapon system to improve its current state and become somewhat closer in capabilities with the US, Britain, Israel, and other top notch militaries.

Yes, Euro weapons cost more, but it has better qualities and capabilities that China cannot attain at this present time.

National feelings of self produced systems (currently, lot of self-made systems = sub par) can lead a mighty army to its demize (Qing Dynasty).

To purchase European weapon doesn't mean replace current systems, rather, learning from purchased weapons to improve China's current systems.

Zyca, once again, changing of political system does not give rights to certain state or province right to seperate or declare independence from original soverign. Maybe American civil war share the same light in a small way (not telling everybody to pick a political system at this time).
March 25th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
lol, i never mentioned this
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Urban, I don't agree with you. No matter how much China can produce, it does not prove that China has proficiencies and capabilities to produce tier one weapons.

to understand diplomacy, you must understand the topnotch piority of a country's production capabilties and buying capabilties

if buying of euro weapons will be done, it will be stategic

it imporves trading relationships


confuncious one said: ones own is better than a loan

in other words, ur own asseets are better than someone else's help or grants


china is a big country, it needs to nationalize its weapons if we were to go higher in the world stage, buying foreign weapons should be kept min and only used for testing, upgrading and tech extracting,...
March 25th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
"in other words, ur own asseets are better than someone else's help or grants"

No it's not.
If their quality far exeeds your own, then your own assets aren't as good as someone else's. Besides, when you buy, you're OWNING it. You're not borrowing it for the weekend.