Originally Posted by Doug97

I should say that you're not going to find these pictures on Google, because I've Photoshopped them from the standard F2000 (you might notice the first pic of the F2000 with grenade launcher has a longer than standard barrel as well).

True, but if you google or yahoo or msn search the terms FN Herstal or FN 2000, you'll get a lot of unphotoshopped original manufacturers images, which is what most people want. There are so many good sources of information out there, and I just find that when someone repetitively asks for info or images that all of us, including the asker can easily get, it tends to send the threads off on wild tangents. I like to avoid that. 'nuff said, I'll shut up now.

Dean.

ha, I think you can practical;ly find them any where and everywhere on the internet!

Originally Posted by Dean

Do you want to carry more ammo, or do you want to carry less ammo that is more effective?
Dean.

I think i would go with the more effective one!!! Because if you hit anyone with the 7.62 he will go DOWN. With the 5.56 you are able to carry 300 rounds that have the same weight as 200 of 7.62. But with the 5.56 you need to hit your target twice, with double taps or a burst to stop your new friend to go on. With the 7.62 the old slogan "One shot, one kill" fits again. Ok, maybe not "one shot" but "one hit, one kill". Ok, you can´t allways hit your target with the first,second or third shot, but thats the same with every caliber and with the 7.62 you don´t have to hit your target a second or third time. So if we now take the 300 and divide it with 2 for the DT´s or two hits you need, we have 150 attempts. With a burst that is 3 rounds(we don´t have a burst mode at our weapons, we have to make bursts ourselfs) you only have 100.
So thats what i said in some posts before, give me a G3 with the same sights as the G36 or now the G36A1(improved sights and backup sights) and i´m good to go!!!

Greetings Joker

P.S.

There are so many good sources of information out there, and I just find that when someone repetitively asks for info or images that all of us, including the asker can easily get

I agree with you Dean. And in this thread is not the only one where it happend.http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...ad.php?t=18198 He´s a quick poster. From December 05 till now(2 month) 489 posts!!! Thats hard.

Let me change my answer: I want the Steyr AUG A3 chambered in 6.5mm Grendel as America's new standard-issue assault rifle.

Originally Posted by Joker

if you hit anyone with the 7.62 he will go DOWN. But with the 5.56 you need to hit your target twice, with double taps or a burst to stop your new friend to go on. With the 7.62 the old slogan "One shot, one kill" fits again.

It sounds to me like you're saying that it is impossible to kill someone with a single 5.56mm round, and guaranteed with a 7.62mm. The difference between the 2 rounds is not as great as that ...

Originally Posted by zander_0633

ha, I think you can practical;ly find them any where and everywhere on the internet!

Pictures of the F2000 are all over the internet. Pictures of the F2000 that I have Photoshopped are not.

Originally Posted by Doug97

It sounds to me like you're saying that it is impossible to kill someone with a single 5.56mm round, and guaranteed with a 7.62mm. The difference between the 2 rounds is not as great as that ...

No, not impossible!!! If you are lucky and hit the right spot or wait long enough than its possibel. But if your new friends comming after you and you have to hit everyone 2 or 3 times before he stops coming after you or shooting at you than you have a serious problem!!! As a matter of fact the 7.62 has more stopping power which the 5.56 don´t has. Or why you think that so many soldiers and if i remember right a lot of SF say that they have to hit there targets to often maybe 2 or 3 times bevor they stop coming at them? Thats why SF (Don´t know why only SF and not all soldiers) get this new xxgrains heavyer round. And thats 1 reason why they talk about the 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. Because of the Knock down power.

Greetz Joker

Hence, M-16A4, with 3-round burst. Better than a spray-and-pray full-auto weapon that'll jump out of your hands when you fire (with a 7.62x51 cartridge, that is).

Originally Posted by Joker

No, not impossible!!! If you are lucky and hit the right spot or wait long enough than its possibel. But if your new friends comming after you and you have to hit everyone 2 or 3 times before he stops coming after you or shooting at you than you have a serious problem!!! As a matter of fact the 7.62 has more stopping power which the 5.56 don´t has. Or why you think that so many soldiers and if i remember right a lot of SF say that they have to hit there targets to often maybe 2 or 3 times bevor they stop coming at them? Thats why SF (Don´t know why only SF and not all soldiers) get this new xxgrains heavyer round. And thats 1 reason why they talk about the 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. Because of the Knock down power.


Greetz Joker

US SF are issed nothing that regular soldiers aren't, they just have the ability to use any weapon they choice too.

Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman

US SF are issed nothing that regular soldiers aren't, they just have the ability to use any weapon they choice too.

OOOOOhhhhhhhhh boy

Ever heard about the 77 grain round called Mk 262 Mod.0 and 1 ?????
No??? Than

The simplest approach to improving the combat potential of 5.56mm weapons is to increase bullet weight. This has been done on a limited scare by special operations forces, which have used Mk262 competition ammo in the mountains of Afghanistan. The 77-grain open tip match bullet reportedly is effective when used against unprotected enemy personnel

The U.S. Marine Corps, responding to reports from their troops, are investigating whether they should replace the current 62 grain bullet, used in the 5.56mm round fired by the M-16 and M-4 rifle, with a heavier bullet. Since last Summer, the marines have been making the heavier, 77 grain bullet (normally only issued to Force Recon and commando troops) available to commanders, to use in place of the rounds with the 62 grain bullet. However, only six percent of the 10.6 million 5,56mm rounds of ammo the marines have in Iraq and Afghanistan, are the heavier 77 grain version. The debate over the effectiveness of the NATO standard 62 grain bullet (and all 5.56mm) ammo has been going on for decades, and has only intensified since 2002 (when it was used a lot in Afghanistan). The marines and the army are working together on the problem, and will present their findings early next year.
The problem with the 5.56mm round was that it was not designed to take down man sized targets (or animal equivalents like white tailed deer, or black bears), and is less effective in blasting through walls and vehicles during urban fighting. When first introduced, it was intended for use by draftees, who were often in need of automatic fire capability (because so few were marksmen). This meant troops had to be able to carry more ammo, thus the utility of the 5.56mm round. The 5.56mm bullet could wound, or kill with a head or torso shot. But a determined enemy was often not stopped by 5.56mm fire. Today, all the infantry are volunteers, much better trained to hit targets with single shots, and increasingly demanding a bigger bullet for doing that.

I hope you belive me now!!! Or should i give you the Url´s??? Or better should i find a SF operator who was issued with this round so that you belive me???????

Look i am german, and all sources that i´ve read were in english, so i think it must be alot easyer for you to find such things than it is for me!!!!
Do you know how hard it is to find, read and understand such artikels in a foreign language??? I think no!!!!

And BTW, why you don´t belive me?
I´m soooooo of it!!!

Originally Posted by c/Commander

Hence, M-16A4, with 3-round burst. Better than a spray-and-pray full-auto weapon that'll jump out of your hands when you fire (with a 7.62x51 cartridge, that is).

Yeah you are right full auto with 7.62 is not the best choice. Thats why we get teached to make 3 round bursts when switch to full auto mode from basic training on. But never was a friend of bursts (except on MG3), i preferred single fire mode for distance! Easyer to hit and control!! You don´t have to "spray and pray" with G3 thats a waste of Ammo. Spray and pray is used with 9mm or 5.56. They are easyer to control because they don´t have so much recoil.

@ Doug97
Hope now you belive me that you need DT´s or more hits to take enemys down with the m855 ball??? And if you search on the internet for "Mk 262" you find more sources that will tell you the same!!

Greetings Joker