Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft




 
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November 20th, 2006  
Team Infidel
 
 

Topic: Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft




By JOHN HEILPRIN
The Associated Press
Sunday, November 19, 2006; 4:11 PM

WASHINGTON -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars and to bolster U.S. troop levels insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.
"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.
Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.
In 2003, he proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.
Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.
At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.
"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.
Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.
"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.
He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.
Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."
Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.
Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."
Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.
The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System trains, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 _ now about 16 million _ from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.
Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.
November 20th, 2006  
bulldogg
 
 
Oh look, a windmill, CHARGE!!!
November 20th, 2006  
Yossarian
 
 

Topic: What draft?


Ok I am going to be pretty straight foward,

Rangel, wants to re enstate the draft by law. Saying basiclly it will stop polititions from starting wars.

He himself is a Korean War veteren, but, he doesnt have the best political record himself.

He tried this thing in 2003, and apparently , it hasnt happened, yet...
But, he says we will need to take this procedure to be able to confront Iran, and North Korea. But then states at one time on NBC news, that he would have never invaded Iraq under his administration. Based on the flimspy information we had then.

Any of you think he is a hypocrite with power, or is he dead serious and really wants his plan for every male from 18 to 26 in military service ASAP?

I am not here to judge or talk about the on how this will effect U.S. influence afar, this matter isnt in a nation thousands of miles away, forget Iraq for now, (and, no I dont mean the indivduals there), I not going to host a convo on if that is morally right or wrong, but think on how it will effect us at home?

*Please, any one who has been drafted, or has served combat tours in any military over seas in any military force at any time, how did it effect you when you first joined, and , well, do you agree with this?
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November 20th, 2006  
The Cooler King
 
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Originally Posted by Sukio
I am not here to judge or talk about the on how this will effect U.S. influence afar, this matter isnt in a nation thousands of miles away, forget Iraq for now, (and, no I dont mean the indivduals there), I not going to host a convo on if that is morally right or wrong, but think on how it will effect us at home?
Sure that's what everyone says. Who cares about Iraq? It doesn't effect me. I'll I know about Iraq is that I'm against it!

We need a draft to take the strain off the brave men and women over in Iraq right now. Some of them are being forced to go back 2 and 3 times. Think about them.
November 20th, 2006  
tomtom22
 
 
Right! He is living in a fantasy world.
November 20th, 2006  
therise21
 
i think the last time a draft was voted on in 2003, it was defeated in the house by a vote of 402-2. i wouldnt be too worried.
November 20th, 2006  
Team Infidel
 
 
he is about 2 cans short of a 6 pack
November 21st, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 

He is a pickle short a quart ... however ... he did make one very real comment/observation.

Do you REALLY think we would have invaded Iraq IF the lawmakers sons, daughters, relatives and friends (who had been drafted), were on active duty?

Interesting question isn't it?
November 21st, 2006  
Team Infidel
 
 
he is a few fries short of a happy meal.... however... there are a few congressmen and women's family in the military and have served overseas. not as many as past history, but still, there have been a few.
November 21st, 2006  
FutureDevilDog
 
 
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Sure that's what everyone says. Who cares about Iraq? It doesn't effect me. I'll I know about Iraq is that I'm against it!

We need a draft to take the strain off the brave men and women over in Iraq right now. Some of them are being forced to go back 2 and 3 times. Think about them.


That's not what he is saying. He's simply saying that he doesnt want this to turn into a debate on whether the Iraq war is morally right or wrong.

I think that if you are a healthy adult male citizen of the USA and your country calls on you to serve it in time of war, than you are obligated to serve. In my opinion.