Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

As it happens I can. A few years ago a chap on Londons Underground was attacked by a number of youths, he was carrying a sword stick, drew the sword and jabbed one of them.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan96.html

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In 1987 two men assaulted Eric Butler, a 56-year-old British Petroleum executive, in a London subway car, trying to strangle him and smashing his head against the door. No one came to his aid. He later testified, "My air supply was being cut off, my eyes became blurred, and I feared for my life." In desperation he unsheathed an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick and slashed at one of his attackers, stabbing the man [sic] in the stomach. The assailants were charged with wounding. Butler was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

So the thugs were charged... It's not like they got off scot-free while the man went to prison for life. Truth be told, Butler WAS carrying an offensive weapon, wasn't he?

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

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In 1994 an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house while he called the police. When the officers arrived, they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. In a similar incident the following year, when an elderly woman fired a toy cap pistol to drive off a group of youths who were threatening her, she was arrested for putting someone in fear. Now the police are pressing Parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

I will admit, these two are rather over the top... If it stops the crime without hurting anyone, why make it illegal?

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

I was a member of the local Ju Jitsu Club, our sensi a 3rd Dan Balck belt was attacked by three youths, one of which had an iron bar which he smashed across the back of our sensi. Despite intense pain, our sensi floored all three thugs. The police arrived and arrested our sensi who was charged and convicted of assault.

I know one of the tactics of some police forces is to arrest everyone and then start asking questions... Did they simply let the kids go? I doubt it...

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

So the thugs were charged... It's not like they got off scot-free while the man went to prison for life. Truth be told, Butler WAS carrying an offensive weapon, wasn't he?

Nope, he was carrying a defensive weapon. Slight difference.

Besides which there are two other factors to consider.

(1)If Butler did not have the sword stick and defended himself, in all probability he would have been dead.

(2)If he had not been attacked, the sword would not have been drawn.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I will admit, these two are rather over the top... If it stops the crime without hurting anyone, why make it illegal?
I know one of the tactics of some police forces is to arrest everyone and then start asking questions... Did they simply let the kids go? I doubt it...

The three thugs who attacked our sensi were given a warning and released, DESPITE being armed with an iron bar.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

Nope, he was carrying a defensive weapon. Slight difference.

Splitting hairs. If you attack first, it's defensive, if I attack first, it's offensive... It does the same damage either way.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

Besides which there are two other factors to consider.

(1)If Butler did not have the sword stick and defended himself, in all probability he would have been dead.

(2)If he had not been attacked, the sword would not have been drawn.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

The three thugs who attacked our sensi were given a warning and released, DESPITE being armed with an iron bar.

Quite a shame...

Rob, either way it's bullsh*t.

I agree... I'm just trying to see whether or not it's as close to anarchy as it sounds... Cause right now, it sounds like Britain is close to collapsing..

Or just waking up Rob. The worst atittude is that of sweeping things under the carpet. You may have noticed that I don't go along with that on my watch, win or lose.

Yes, but is this idea of leaving people completely defenseless, and ruling AGAINST self-defense a wake up? Or is it an early grave? Seems to me like more of the latter. When a man attacks another man, and the victim gets charged for defending himself, there is something wrong, no matter which way you slice it.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

I agree... I'm just trying to see whether or not it's as close to anarchy as it sounds... Cause right now, it sounds like Britain is close to collapsing..

It's really that bad, Rob?

I don't think so.

This is where extreme political correctness gets you when imposed with complete lack of common-sense.

This what my original post was about - the old Russian gay joke - the gay show business celebrity was making the point that such a joke will soon become illegal here, and as a gay man he felt that was completely ridiculous and a sign that our freedom of speech was being removed, bit by bit, along with other freedoms. Our application of the Human Rights Act from the EU is destroying the genuine human rights of our people..

I can't say what it is Rob, but it's not anarchy. If it was anarchy, no one would be arrested.