Reason for war.

Swedish sub vs a carrier group?
What do you call 100 dead Swedes at the bottom of the ocean?
A Swedish submarine crew that thought it could get through a carrier group's defense net.

Like I said EagleHammer. Making a "resistance" story against the US would be boring with all those American sympathizers going on about how wrong the war against Sweden is... Tiger Woods would be on TV denouncing the aggression against his wife's country etc etc. The commanding officer of a prison camp inside Sweden will want to torture a few people but because he's bound by rules and regulations he'll just have to keep them confined.
One guy does try an Abu-Grahib but gets arrested and his career's over in a blink.
OH WOW. How terribly interesting.
 
EagleHammer said:
Well **** i don't like them,plus a recistance get's alot more credit if making progress against a much more superior power.
Plus í whant to have a story of a Swedish U-Boat sinking an aircraft carrier.
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At ease young padawan.

First off, where do you invision the US to place a carrier? In the Baltic sea?

That would never ever happen since it is tactically not sound.
The americans have vast knowledge of what the Swedish submarine fleet are capable of.
Especially since HMS Gotland trained for about a month with elements of the USN awhile back.

The carrier would in such a scenario be placed a far way outside the Norwegian coast or even up north depending on what nations were involved.
They have a standoff capability that you don´t really grasp.
They could easily group their carrier(s) where Swedish submarines would be hardpressed to get to it.

A Swedish resistance would gain no traction against a US invader since the western nations are too much alike.
The military would defend the nation against any invader, but my best guess is that a guerilla type war on Swedish soil against an invading US force would eradicate itself from lack of support.
Your scenario is just not plausible.

Oh and why do you hate the US?
And why do you think a resistance would make progress against US troops?

//KJ.
 
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the_13th_redneck said:
Swedish sub vs a carrier group?
What do you call 100 dead Swedes at the bottom of the ocean?
A Swedish submarine crew that thought it could get through a carrier group's defense net.

Like I said EagleHammer. Making a "resistance" story against the US would be boring with all those American sympathizers going on about how wrong the war against Sweden is... Tiger Woods would be on TV denouncing the aggression against his wife's country etc etc. The commanding officer of a prison camp inside Sweden will want to torture a few people but because he's bound by rules and regulations he'll just have to keep them confined.
One guy does try an Abu-Grahib but gets arrested and his career's over in a blink.
OH WOW. How terribly interesting.
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LOL. Too funny..
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Swedish sub vs a carrier group?
What do you call 100 dead Swedes at the bottom of the ocean?
A Swedish submarine crew that thought it could get through a carrier group's defense net.quote]


In military Scenario's against USN, A Swedish U-Boat scored a direct hit on a US Carrier.
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KJ said:
At ease young padawan.

First off, where do you invision the US to place a carrier? In the Baltic sea?

That would never ever happen since it is tactically not sound.
The americans have vast knowledge of what the Swedish submarine fleet are capable of.
Especially since HMS Gotland trained for about a month with elements of the USN awhile back.

The carrier would in such a scenario be placed a far way outside the Norwegian coast or even up north depending on what nations were involved.
They have a standoff capability that you don´t really grasp.
They could easily group their carrier(s) where Swedish submarines would be hardpressed to get to it.

A Swedish resistance would gain no traction against a US invader since the western nations are too much alike.
The military would defend the nation against any invader, but my best guess is that a guerilla type war on Swedish soil against an invading US force would eradicate itself from lack of support.
Your scenario is just not plausible.

Oh and why do you hate the US?
And why do you think a resistance would make progress against US troops?

//KJ.
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Well sen's are boats can stay under water for like 3-4 weeks or something gives them anoff time to hit an aircraft carrier in the north sea,or somewhere.

I don't hate them, i dislike them primarily for meddeling in other country's business.


I never said i tought they would make progress, only that it would get more credit if it did.
 
This sort of stuff always happens during one of the numerous "scenarios" etc and are taken way out of proportion by people who have no understanding of how these things work.
Also, no, a Swedish resistance won't get much credit for fighting against US troops bound by all sorts of rules.
You'd get more credit resisting against Indonesian cops. They will get you, kneecap you, then cuff you to some hand railing.
3-4 weeks under water. Big whoop. What submarine these days can't do that?

EagleHammer said:
the_13th_redneck said:
Swedish sub vs a carrier group?
What do you call 100 dead Swedes at the bottom of the ocean?
A Swedish submarine crew that thought it could get through a carrier group's defense net.quote]


In military Scenario's against USN, A Swedish U-Boat scored a direct hit on a US Carrier.
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EagleHammer said:
Well sen's are boats can stay under water for like 3-4 weeks or something gives them anoff time to hit an aircraft carrier in the north sea,or somewhere.

I don't hate them, i dislike them primarily for meddeling in other country's business.


I never said i tought they would make progress, only that it would get more credit if it did.
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The Swedish submarine fleet is primarily built and conditioned to fight a defensiv battle in the archipelago and/or harass Russian shipping outside their ports in the baltic.
The further away from land you take this engagement the harder it will be for the diesel subs to ge tto their target.
And that is not including the miles of sea and air the US can control around an aircraft carrier group.

You think the US are wrong in getting engaged in Afghanistan?
Do you believe Swedish troops should be deployed to both the OEF AND ISAF forces there?
If not, why?

A resistance would not get much credit fighting a civilized occupier.
Nor would it get enough support from the key players in such a scenario.
The civilians.

You need to do your homework better.
Or just drop this proposterous idea altogether, that might be the wise course of action here.

Oh, please supply a source of that Swedish sub "kill".



Over IKEA I´d jump the fence BD..LOL!

//KJ.
 
Most "Kills" against USN carrier groups come when the group is playing the role of something else, therefore not utilizing its entire capabilities.
 
My own Tubby Time Carrier Group scored 24 kills this past weekend during a joint navel exercise with the Silver Bullet squadron. Exact details about the ending of the engagement are sketchy. The AAR has smudges on it or I was channelling one of the Pharoahs and wrote it in heiroglyphics. But regardless there were kills... the USS Rubber Ducky killed 4 sets of six and the HMS Barley & Hops inflicted six digit casualty figures. The UN has condemned the...
 
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But the UN has officially condemned the entry of ROKS (Republic of Korea Ship) Kimchee Box which by its very nature violated all agreements on the ban on use of chemical weapons in any confrontation. South Korean officials claim that ROKS Kimchee Box was empty of any Kimchee at the time of the incident, therefore not in breach of any international laws or agreements but the sheer heavy traces of a lethal blistering agent Kimchee found on the walls of the hull made this a hot point of debate. The fact that these traces of Kimchee has inflicted massive casualties has led to even more condemnation from the international community.
 
You've got that whole "Sweden hasn't been in a war in almost 250 years" thing working against you. :p

I think I have a pretty good reason. Sweden is considered to be "socialist" by many people because of your current system of taxation and the way the government spends the money, in your story/book have the Swedish government drift deeper into socialism because of an economic recession or something and eventually transform the government into Stalinist or Maoist Communism and claim that the United States invades because once again the socialist movement is growing worldwide and the US is seeking to stamp this out by taking down one of the more prominent newly formed communist governments.

If you want realism, you're probably going to have to write a story about a long, drawn out guerilla resistance. No offense meant here but only a very small handful of countries could absorb the first strike and resist an invasion by the United States and Sweden just isn't one of them. Your population is large enough to allow you to sacrifice the population in human wave tactics to slow down American forces and Sweden isn't really large enough to allow your nation to trade land for time. Your best bet will be ambushes in mountainous areas (I assume Sweden has some mountains :p ), ravines, river crossings, etc. However, given Sweden's geography the US would be very limited in their options unless Norway were to grant permission for US troops to enter their territory, which I don't see happening. So the good news is that in your story your troops could concentrate in the south, but airborne drops in northern Sweden would be an annoyance at first and cause real logistical problems later on.
 
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Another reason the US would invade Sweden... Al Gore is elected President and determines that global warming is in fact caused by reindeer dung. Sweden refuses to cull its reindeer herd and so a pre-emptive strike is launched to rectify the reindeer problem.
 
EagleHammer said:
Hi, i whant to Write a story about Sweden in war and kind of like an swedish resistance, i whant to write about war against som great power (not russia) preferaly US, but i can't come up with a reason for it, anyone that can help me.?
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Hmm wouldn't it be easier to go down the George Orwell - "1984" line with faceless coalitions that way you get a bit more creative freedoms.
 
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