Mohmar Deathstrike
Banned
Yes but you've not lived under Batista. Therefore I see no reason why you should have better information concerning that regime than any other of us.5.56X45mm said:
Welcome to the forum, Dark.Dark_Mark said:
Real photos of Cuba
Dark_Mark
Active member
tomtom22 said:
Just another propaganda tool you are trying to use to get me to conform to your ideas.
Maybe I think you are an ill-informed impressionable Fox News watcher that only believes the words that come directly from the mouth of Sean Hannity, but I keep my opinions to myself.
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Missileer
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Dark_Mark said:
I sure hope you aren't expecting to join the Military or hold any job that requires a background check. I just finished renewing my Secret Clearance and those FBI people mean business.
As for Cuba, why, just exactly, do you think there are Cubans risking their lives to reach Florida on inner tube rafts, usually to only drown or be strafed by a Cuban patrol boat or plane? `Splain that one.
And, don't you thank Heaven for your right to be a practicing communist in America won by the blood of heroes?
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5.56X45mm
Milforum Mac Daddy
Dark_Mark said:
I suggest that you watch what you type because I'm not one of the nicest people here on the net. But because this is the internet and there are millions of folks like you, there is no reason for me to argue with you. You are no where near me. You are just a couple of typed word on my PC screen.
And if you think it's simply because of that, so be it. I'll tell you what.
Put your money where your mouth is. Move to Cuba, live there, enjoy the wonders of communism. If you don't like the USA so much, leave. I don't want you here anyways.
That vandalism of Che Guevera's bust was funny. And well deserved.
Reminds me of how many stupid people like wearing those so-called hip Che Guevera's T-shirts without knowing the real suffering those people had to go through, and the evil Communsm has brought to those it subjugated. They think its hip, what a bunch of naive idiots.
Its like when those Mao Che Tung T-shirts were hip a while back people would wear them without realizing he was the 2nd biggest mass murderer in world history. They would wear Mao and never wear a Hilter shirt, when Mao killed more than Hitler. Whats the difference really, there is none.
Hey since you hold those sources in good regard perhaps you forgot to read this part, but maybe you prefer a police state...
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Cuba is a totalitarian police state, which relies on repressive methods to maintain control. These methods, including intense physical and electronic surveillance of Cubans, are also extended to foreign travelers. Americans visiting Cuba should be aware that any encounter with a Cuban could be subject to surreptitious scrutiny by the Castro regime's secret police, the General Directorate for State Security (DGSE). Also, any interactions with average Cubans, regardless how well intentioned the American is, can subject that Cuban to harassment and/or detention, amongst other forms of repressive actions, by state security elements.
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Reminds me of how many stupid people like wearing those so-called hip Che Guevera's T-shirts without knowing the real suffering those people had to go through, and the evil Communsm has brought to those it subjugated. They think its hip, what a bunch of naive idiots.
Its like when those Mao Che Tung T-shirts were hip a while back people would wear them without realizing he was the 2nd biggest mass murderer in world history. They would wear Mao and never wear a Hilter shirt, when Mao killed more than Hitler. Whats the difference really, there is none.
Dark_Mark said:
Hey since you hold those sources in good regard perhaps you forgot to read this part, but maybe you prefer a police state...
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Cuba is a totalitarian police state, which relies on repressive methods to maintain control. These methods, including intense physical and electronic surveillance of Cubans, are also extended to foreign travelers. Americans visiting Cuba should be aware that any encounter with a Cuban could be subject to surreptitious scrutiny by the Castro regime's secret police, the General Directorate for State Security (DGSE). Also, any interactions with average Cubans, regardless how well intentioned the American is, can subject that Cuban to harassment and/or detention, amongst other forms of repressive actions, by state security elements.
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Yeah great. He asked a legitimate question and you basically threat him. You say Cuba is hell but you don't provide any details and ignore anything that relativizes that statement in any way. If your not into discussing things than a discussion forum is not for you I guess.5.56X45mm said:
He didn't say he dislikes the US, he only said that while Cuba is not the US, there are definitely worse places. Why is that statement so offensive to you?
I think you actually miss Cuba and hence you hate the Castro regime for making you decide between living there where your roots are and reaching your other goals in life.
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Dark_Mark
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I personally believe all of this Cuban police state mumbo jumbo is CIA propaganda. Sure, there are some abuses in Cuba (namely the torcher of convicted criminals), but that hardly justifies a travel ban, an embargo, and the dedication of millions of dollars to try to overthrow Castro. There are many countries in the world that are much much more abusive, and we are good friends with many of those (like Saudi Arabia). In fact, Cuba's one-party democracy is superior to many South American US style two party democracies whose politicians are bought and paid for by the CIA and other multinational corporations to push neoliberal reforms (we all saw how well that worked for Argentina in the 90's).
I am not willing to abandon my family and my friends to move to another country.
Per capita, very few Cubans actually leave Cuba. After all, the USA has enacted laws clearly stating that any Cuban who can make it to the US soil gains citizenship. Why not extend that law to some other more capitalistic countries, like Mexico or the Dominican Republic, and see how many people come from those places?
I am not willing to abandon my family and my friends to move to another country.
Per capita, very few Cubans actually leave Cuba. After all, the USA has enacted laws clearly stating that any Cuban who can make it to the US soil gains citizenship. Why not extend that law to some other more capitalistic countries, like Mexico or the Dominican Republic, and see how many people come from those places?
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Dark_Mark said:
Democracy.....Hahahahaahahahaa LOL.
This is about the funniest thing I've seen on this forum, either that or someone is living in LaLa land.
I'd like to see the average Cuban living in Cuba say that Castro sucks, and vote him out of office. HAHAHHAHHAHHA Democracy Hahahaha lol...
And Hitler was a pacifist, yes he was.
bulldogg
Milforum's Bouncer
You might think differently if it was your own family since you have already posted about your unwillingness to leave them. Try to step outside your own convictions and walk a mile in those shoes. Don't tell me the answer, honestly I don't give a rat's arse, this is a life lesson for yourself. Either you get it or you don't and its entirely for YOU and YOU ALONE. Rhetorical if you will.
Thanks for the pics 5.56X45mm. This shows what communism after a few decades does. I know people who have Castro printed on their cloths. I have even heard one guy in my class boast that Castro was the "coolest dictator around"... I Believe that all these people should be required to have a long talk with you.
Rob Henderson
Banned
...But....It came from YOUR source...LOLDark_Mark said:
ok...2000 people a year by sea...sure, thats not a lot. source, hyperlink and everything.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CubaDark_Mark said:
And by the way, Mexico doesnt need that law, they come in anyway. Or have you not been paying attention to the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants on the news.
5.56X45mm
Milforum Mac Daddy
I was born in a communist police state.
When I was four years old, a group of armed men knocked on my door asking for my grand uncle. When my grand uncle went to the door, all he did was said "don't hurt the boy". He was meaning me. My grand uncle was arrested for stealing food to feed us. He worked on a collective farm. Living in a house ment for two, there was seven. My grand uncle, my father, my mother, my grand mother, my grand father, my grand aunt, and myself.
When I was seven, I remember that seeing a man being chased down the street. There was what looked like a jeep, expect it wasn't. It was Russian I think. On the jeep was the police. All I remember is after the jeep passed my view, I heard machine gun fire.
I have lost track of how many times folks disappeared during the night by the secert police. All for mentioning something about Castro and the Government.
I remember being take out of class and being thought how to throw a grenade, how to build an AK-47, how to work an RPG. I remember being taken to farms and forced to work during the summers. I remember hearing ll the time how the "evil yankee empire to the north" was going to inavde and cut off our heads.
I also remember my Grandfather telling me about Cuba before the Castro Regime. About how the family had a sugercane farm and a chicken farm. About the hotels that we owned and how everyone had cars. How the city use to be so wonderful. How the church and god was allowed to be worshipped in public.
You want more information, because just thinking about it brings me to tears.
When I was four years old, a group of armed men knocked on my door asking for my grand uncle. When my grand uncle went to the door, all he did was said "don't hurt the boy". He was meaning me. My grand uncle was arrested for stealing food to feed us. He worked on a collective farm. Living in a house ment for two, there was seven. My grand uncle, my father, my mother, my grand mother, my grand father, my grand aunt, and myself.
When I was seven, I remember that seeing a man being chased down the street. There was what looked like a jeep, expect it wasn't. It was Russian I think. On the jeep was the police. All I remember is after the jeep passed my view, I heard machine gun fire.
I have lost track of how many times folks disappeared during the night by the secert police. All for mentioning something about Castro and the Government.
I remember being take out of class and being thought how to throw a grenade, how to build an AK-47, how to work an RPG. I remember being taken to farms and forced to work during the summers. I remember hearing ll the time how the "evil yankee empire to the north" was going to inavde and cut off our heads.
I also remember my Grandfather telling me about Cuba before the Castro Regime. About how the family had a sugercane farm and a chicken farm. About the hotels that we owned and how everyone had cars. How the city use to be so wonderful. How the church and god was allowed to be worshipped in public.
You want more information, because just thinking about it brings me to tears.
Rob Henderson
Banned
Louis, I simply cannot tell you how sorry I am. I haven't said anything bad, but YOU in tears makes me feel crummy. I hope you have had a much better life here and don't be bothered by the "United States Commy." He doesn't know anything about you. Don't waste your tears on him.
That's because you are personally delusional and naive. You believe communist lies and your own lies so much, you won't know the truth if it hit you over the head.Dark_Mark said:
You say Cuba is a democracy and this police state mumbo jumbo is CIA propaganda.
If so, then show me one group or newspaper inside Cuba itself that oppose Castro or any of his policies that is allowed to publish and meet freely?! Show me!
There is none.
We have someone here who has first hand experience of whats it like to live in Cuba versus your naive delusions of grandure.
Do us all a favor and move to Cuba, don't give the poor reason that you don't want to leave our family as an excuse to face reality.
Dark_Mark
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5.56X45mm said:
I'm sorry if I don't shed a tear. I would imagine many people who worked for your grandfather have/had very different opinions about the Castro regime. You'll find many people who toiled in sugar cane fields to meet United States imposed quotas and who worked in hotels cadering to tourists to generate profit for the owner don't reminisce about the good ol' days quite so much.
And I don't claim Cuba is some happy democracy-free speach palace, but I do claim it is more democratic and more free than many of its neighbors.
And when you review CIA statistic you find that they have a tendency to "stretch" the truth a bit. For example, for 2005, the world factbook claims that the gdp growth for Cuba is 8%, whereas other sources report it to be 12%. Reporting anything below 8% could be seen as a blatant lie by the information community. See what I mean?
And many children in South America aren't fortunate enough to have a class to be taken out of.
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Rabs
Active member
Marks numbers do have some legeitmacy
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31643
Also, can the personal attacks on mark stop, his opinions are strong and he defends them strongly. Knowing him personally however, he is a good guy and means no disrespect to anyone. He realizes that many people were hurt by castro comeing to power but he also thinks that more people were helped by it.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31643
Also, can the personal attacks on mark stop, his opinions are strong and he defends them strongly. Knowing him personally however, he is a good guy and means no disrespect to anyone. He realizes that many people were hurt by castro comeing to power but he also thinks that more people were helped by it.
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