Real photos of Cuba

It is not?! Sorry I get my information on world politics exclusively from this forum. :sarc:
 
loki said:
It is not?! Sorry I get my information on world politics exclusively from this forum. :sarc:
Haha, I read'ya. Iran is also going to nuke the entire world if we don't stop them right now!
MIRV FAN said:
Cuba was a paradise in the 50's until the beard came on the seen, dam shame.
Yes, a paradise for foreign tourists.:sarc:
 
No, it was paradise for the Cuban people too. 85% of the country was middle class. Today's there is no such thing as middle class.
 
Mohmar Deathstrike said:
Haha, I read'ya. Iran is also going to nuke the entire world if we don't stop them right now!
Yes, a paradise for foreign tourists.:sarc:

Sooo..you won't accept tourist dollars? That's an easier mark than a Mississippi farm boy in Amsterdam.
 
5.56X45mm said:
No, it was paradise for the Cuban people too. 85% of the country was middle class. Today's there is no such thing as middle class.

I remember now. Batista's Cuba was a paradise. Literacy rates of just under 60%, an economy based entirely on tourism and gambling run by the American mob and the sugar cane and tobacco industries run by the American governement, a life expectancy of about 60 years, 60 infant mortalities per 1000 live births, massive unemployment, and grinding poverty for the MULTITUDES of Cubans that were forced to work in the cigar, sugar, and tourist industries. I have no idea where you got that 85% of Cubans were in the middle class figure, maybe out of the right-wing lie book.

Of course, the good ol' USA did plenty to help out. The sugar quota system imposed by Washington with Batista did marvels for the Cuban people, ensuring most sugarcane farmers would live in poverty, while Batista helped himself to the state treasury.

If I wished, I could easily round up pictures from the urban centers and clinics of the USA and make the USA look just as bad if not worse than Cuba.

Those pictures actually bring up some interesting questions:

1. How do I know those pictures were taken in part of a Cuban hospital that is in use, or even in a Cuban hospital?

2. How does the picture of a police officer in the streets of Havana mean that Cuba is a police state? I have seen very little evidence to indicate this.

3. If health care in Cuba is as bad as it seems, then why does Cuba have such excellent WHO (World Health Organization) statistics? 290 people/doctor, 200people/hospital bed, 100% births attended by a doctor?


Furthermore, why does Cuba only have an HPI (Human Poverty Index) of around 4% (compared to Brazil's 12% and Mexico's 9%) and an unemployment value of 2% if Cuba is such a dirty hell hole?

And don't even get me started on so-called human rights abuses. The biggest "atrocity" commited by Castro in the last 10 years has probably been the arrest of 75 "dissidents." Of course, these "dissidents" our "liberal" media reported had been wrongfully imprisoned were charged with, and were most likely guilty of, accepting money from the United States government.

If Cuba is such a harsh autocratic state, then why is there a Cuban Parliament whose members are elected by private ballot? Why are all of the Cuban officials, including Castro, subject to recall? Why is the Communist party banned by the Cuban constitution from interfering in the electoral process? Sure, the only legal party in Cuba is the Communist party, but anyone may also run for office on a no-party ticket!

Of course, I'm sure I will be told that I've never been there and I shouldn't talk about Cuba until I've been there, but hey, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR CITIZENS OF THE USA TO TRAVEL TO CUBA.

I don't want to claim that Cuba is paradise on earth, perfect, or has a higher standard of living than the USA, but I do claim it is one of the best third world countries to live in, and that the revolution has greatly benefited the people of Cuba.
 
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Dark_Mark, have you ever been to Cuba? Anytime?
I will take Luis' version of Cuba than that of a teenager commie.
By the way your post might have been more believable had you backed it up with a source for your info. read the rules.
 
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I apologize. My sources: UNESCO, UNDP, UNSD, EPICA, CIA World Fact Book, UNICEF & the Cuban Ministry of Public Health. If you find any of these sources rejectable or in any way invalid, let me know.

And as I said, I cannot go to Cuba, as it is illegal. However, I will go if you are willing to pay my $250,000 fine, Tom.
 
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Sources means a link or a document so that others may verify what you claim.

Also it is not illegal to go to Cuba there are no direct flights but you can get there from Mexico easily enough. The fine is if you spend US currency in the country. Simple enough to avoid by changing your money to pesos in Mexico first and then enjoy the paradise of your dreams.

I know three American businessmen who are doing business with Cuban companies and have no trouble whatsoever with travel or otherwise.
 
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Oh god, not the list, I was on "the list" for awhile, oh the horrors!
:)
I didn't even know the Democrats had a hammer and sickle logo... all this time I thought it was a jackass, erm, donkey.
 
5.56X45mm said:
And since you have a picture of the American Communist Party Logo on as your Avatar. You have now been put on my list. Enjoy.

Am I already on your list Luis? I have been trying my best for nearly 1900 posts and he just puts up an avatar and that's it! It's not fair!

But it is true that Cuba isn't the nicest place to spend your holiday and I have heard many stories of friends and colleques who are appalled by what they see. So it is a dung-hole, but never forget that nobody succesfuly pulls of a revolution if it is paradise on earth. Why isn;t there a revolution in Sweden or Holland or America if you like?
 
Wow, I had "socialist" in my sig for a while (I was young and stupid... last week) and I didn't get on the list!

Check your radar, 5.56!
 
Dark_Mark said:
I apologize. My sources: UNESCO, UNDP, UNSD, EPICA, CIA World Fact Book, UNICEF & the Cuban Ministry of Public Health. If you find any of these sources rejectable or in any way invalid, let me know.

And as I said, I cannot go to Cuba, as it is illegal. However, I will go if you are willing to pay my $250,000 fine, Tom.
sources, with links please..

thanks
 
5.56X45mm said:
Hey Dark_Mark, I was born and raised in Cuba. I have trully lived under the wonders of communism and socialism. And guess what, there's a reason why I now live in the USA.

The way I see it, Cuba is a lot like the GDR was. The regime uses opression whenever it sees its power endangered. It doesn't trust its people so it needs a secret police, secret informants and the like which causes distrust among people. Like in the GDR, the regime is trying to provide its people with consumer goods to contain dissatisfaction with the state but fails more often than not.

However your argumentation "Cuba is a hellhole because of the communists" just doesn't work if you look at the rest of latin america. How about Haiti? The poorest country in the western hemisphere. Cuba is as much of a hellhole as most of its non-communist neighbors. Considering that they have to deal with the embargo they are actually doing pretty well. Thats just the facts. There is still enough to dislike about the Castro regime when it comes to individual liberties.
 
Your sarcasm only reinforces my sense that you are an ill-informed, impressionable teenager, and will only get you more grief from me and other members.
 
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bulldogg said:
Oh god, not the list, I was on "the list" for awhile, oh the horrors!
:)
I didn't even know the Democrats had a hammer and sickle logo... all this time I thought it was a jackass, erm, donkey.

The CPUSA makes every democrat look like a wuss.

If you guys want hyperlinks, fine, but all you have to do is google the source and click the desired country's link (in this case Cuba).

http://www.uis.unesco.org/profiles/EN/EDU/countryProfile_en.aspx?code=1920

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cu.html#Econ

http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/countries.cfm?c=CUB

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/cuba_statistics.html

http://worldperspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan/servlet/BMTendanceStatPays?langue=en&codePays=CUB&codeStat=SP.DYN.LE00.IN&codeTheme=SP.DYN-SH.XPD-SH.STA.BRTC-SH.STA.BRTC.ZS-SH.MED

And how exactly HORRIBLE was your experience in Cuba 5.56? Did you have electricity? A TV? Running water? Food? Sanitation services?

I strongly suspect that you only think Cuba was so bad because you now live in the U.S.A. and lack proper perspective. If you had any of those services mentioned above, then you lived in much better conditions than millions of others in South America and the Caribbean. And for the record, a vast majority of Cubans do enjoy those services.

Don't like my avatar? I have a nice republican elephant decorated with swastikas instead of stars if you want me to change it.

Yes, there is a travel ban. I would need a license, and licenses are not given for tourist purposes. If that isn't a travel ban, then I don't know what is.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1097.html
 
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