Rank the Tank! - Page 22




 
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August 30th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
It should be remembered that the only thing that has knocked a Challenger 2 is another Challenger 2. This happened in a fire fight in Iraq during a dust storm.
I think with todays armor it is hard for one shot to take out a modern tank, especially not from a Western tank which seems to rely more on speed and maneuvariblity to out flank the enemy and get them from the side or rear where the armor is thinner. Some of the later Sovier tanks and newer Chinese tanks may have large enough guns to hit an Abrams or Challenger at long range and penetrate the frontal armor.

Weren't the Challenger and Abrams products of many years of cooperation between the British and American tank designers? The Chavin armor (Code named Burlington while in developement, right?) was discovered by the British, correct? And didn't the US have some breakthroughs in the design of the turret and cannon stabilizer? Am I just rambling because I am tired but can not fall asleep? Do you wear pink socks? I don't anymore.
August 30th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien435
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
It should be remembered that the only thing that has knocked a Challenger 2 is another Challenger 2. This happened in a fire fight in Iraq during a dust storm.
I think with todays armor it is hard for one shot to take out a modern tank, especially not from a Western tank which seems to rely more on speed and maneuvariblity to out flank the enemy and get them from the side or rear where the armor is thinner. Some of the later Sovier tanks and newer Chinese tanks may have large enough guns to hit an Abrams or Challenger at long range and penetrate the frontal armor.

Weren't the Challenger and Abrams products of many years of cooperation between the British and American tank designers? The Chavin armor (Code named Burlington while in developement, right?) was discovered by the British, correct? And didn't the US have some breakthroughs in the design of the turret and cannon stabilizer? Am I just rambling because I am tired but can not fall asleep? Do you wear pink socks? I don't anymore.
The M1 was a product of the MBT-70, a join venture between Gernamy and the U.S., the armor Chobham was a British discovery. The U.S. now has about four inches of depleted urainum add onto the Chobham armor.

The cannon stabilizer was due to the Navy trying to keeping the deck guns on the horizion.

Its a horizontal stabilizer, keeping the M256 alined with the horizion. The turret has a ammo stowage compartment that has blow-off panels and a Halon system to extinguish any fires in the stowage compartment within 2.5 seconds of any sence of extreme heat.

The M1 was first developed in 1978, but had been on the drawing board since 1972. The whole basis of the M1 was on speed, firepower and armor. Its main mission was long range, heavy tank battles against the Soviet's.

Every Soviet tank the M1 and Challenger have come across is a burning pile of junk. The lastest T-80 doesn't stand a chance. The T-90 is more or less a copy of the Leo 2A4.

The T-80 uses an auto-loader, its 125mm isn't much. It fires so very rudimentary Sabot's, unlike the U.S. M829E3.

In the Israel they had the M48's and M60's against the T-62 and T-72 and both where beat down.

Trust me, British and American tanks are the world's best.
August 30th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman
Trust me, British and American tanks are the world's best.
Hehe I think the Germans and Israelis might have something to say about that.
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August 31st, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadet Seaman
Trust me, British and American tanks are the world's best.
Hehe I think the Germans and Israelis might have something to say about that.
Ya, I forgot about them.
September 15th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Best protected tank: Challenger II
Faster MBT: LeClerc
Best design/shape (IMHO): Merkava

Best all around: Tie between Merkava Mk4 and Leopard 2a6. M1 A2 comes close to making it a threeway tie, but not quite, lacking some anti-mine protection in the comparison. Challenger 2 comes a ways down because of its lack of speed, but it's survivability is unsurpassed. I'd rank it right below the M1 for overall. The T-95, LeClerc and a number of others are well worth mentioning and I don't know what order I'd put them in.
September 18th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
How many of the tanks that you have mentioned have actually been in action.
September 19th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Best protected tank: Challenger II
Faster MBT: LeClerc
Best design/shape (IMHO): Merkava

Best all around: Tie between Merkava Mk4 and Leopard 2a6. M1 A2 comes close to making it a threeway tie, but not quite, lacking some anti-mine protection in the comparison. Challenger 2 comes a ways down because of its lack of speed, but it's survivability is unsurpassed. I'd rank it right below the M1 for overall. The T-95, LeClerc and a number of others are well worth mentioning and I don't know what order I'd put them in.
Your comparing the LeClerc with the CH2 and M1A2?

The M1 without it's governer hits 60MPH, and on the Detroit test track it hit 90MPH without it's turret.

The CH2 and M1A2 are at a tie for protection, but the CH2 has it's AMP.

Comparing Armor (That has seen combat).

Best Protected: CH2 & M1A2

Fastest: M1A2

Best Designed for it's mission: Merkava, CH2, M1A2

Over All veiw of armor:

Fastest: M1A2 and LeClerc

Best Protected: CH2, M1A2, and Leo 2A6

Best Designed for it's mission: Merkava, CH2, M1A2, and Leo 2A6
September 20th, 2005  
Shadowalker
 
 
You cant say the M1A2 is a fast tank if you to class it as that your taking the turret and governor off as it wont be going into combat without the governor and can you see a tank going into combat without a turret?

Leclercs cross country is 50km/h = 31.25mph
M1A1 " 30mph
CH2 40km/h 25mph
Merkava 4 55km/h 34.3 mph

http://www.army-technology.com/proje...n_Battle_Tanks

From reading that and getting those stats the merkava can go up to 55km/h off road so it is actually the fastest!
September 21st, 2005  
ghost457
 
 
why cant it go into combat without a governor? is there some practical reason, or just because the commanders say so? i dont see how not having a governor could pose a problem, so i think the fastest should be rated without a governor, but with a turret. thats my opinion.
September 21st, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Many of the Engines are installed with far greater power than required, this is to give far greater torque to the drive and not for hurtling around the place at a break neck speed.