The Raid At Dieppe - Page 3




 
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December 6th, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samneanderthal
Hi 42RM
if infantrymen alone win wars, why did Britain have to abandon Norway after destroying most of the German navy? why did a half million allied troops with naval artillery to back them up and supply them not hold a piece of land between Pas de Calais and Dunkirk that was not well suited for the few German tin tanks? why did a few paratroopers defeat a large allied army in Crete with naval artillery to support them? why did 130,000 infantrymen surrender to a much smaller Jap force in Singapore? was it not because the enemy plane sank the ships, blew up the fortified defenses, etc,?
Was it not the planes that allowed the battleships to shell Normandy (Texas blasted a Panzer division with its 14" cannon) and who destroyed many tanks and all the trains, trucks, etc, carrying reinforcements and supplies to the coast?
The combined French, British, Canadian, Polish, Belgian, etc, armies in France were formidable and their tanks superior, yet the planes blasted a path for Guderian.

I know that the allied troops did not stand a chance in Dieppe in the face or air superiority and fortified positions, and intact lines to move reinforcements and supplies, because the allied ships supporting and supplying them would have been promptly sunk and the Gemrnas could have rushed a lot of troops, etc, to the area.
I believe we have been through this before, but since it obviously haven't stuck yet...
The British (along with the French and Polish allies) had to abandon Norway in order to concentrate their focus on the German invasion of France.

Fact is that when the British and allied forces withdrew from Norway, the city of Narvik had already been captured by Polish, French and Norwegian troops, the Norwegian 6. division had the German forces cornered on Bjørnefjell, and the commanding German general Dietl later admitted that it was a matter of just a few days before he either had to surrender or evacuate his troops over the border and into Swedish internment.

This was acomplished despite German air superiority.

Just look at Eben Emael and what the Germans did there.
December 6th, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
Yes we went over this before, but you don't read. The allied navy was huge and would not have allowed Germany to take over Norway and control the North Atlantic with the few ships and submarines it had left and ensure its ore supply had German planes not been sinking its ships at will. France was a good excuse to safe face. Withdrawing from Norway allowed Hitler to send hundreds of planes to France.

The German army in Poland in 1939, the paras in Crete, Rommel in Gazala and the Japs in Singapore also admitted that they had no munitions to continue fighting. The allies just kept losing, because of airplanes and bluffing.
December 7th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samneanderthal
The German army in Poland in 1939, the paras in Crete, Rommel in Gazala and the Japs in Singapore also admitted that they had no munitions to continue fighting. The allies just kept losing, because of airplanes and bluffing.
As far as I am aware, crystal balls weren't issued to British Officers.
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December 7th, 2011  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
As far as I am aware, crystal balls weren't issued to British Officers.
Only Sam got crystal balls
December 7th, 2011  
42RM
 
No Balls at All!
December 7th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Seriously guys this is starting to get silly, you are seemingly spending more time attacking the messenger rather than the message.
December 7th, 2011  
42RM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
As far as I am aware, crystal balls weren't issued to British Officers.
Steel balls however, was standard equipment.
December 7th, 2011  
42RM
 
Yes Monty, is getting silly
But how many times haven’t we given him a serious answer?
December 7th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
Only Sam got crystal balls
We are all wise after the event. As I told him, put yourself in their shoes with the information, men and equipment at hand.

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Originally Posted by MontyB
Seriously guys this is starting to get silly, you are seemingly spending more time attacking the messenger rather than the message.
Damn right its getting silly, he's not the messenger of this nonsense, he's the author.
December 7th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 42RM
Yes Monty, is getting silly
But how many times haven’t we given him a serious answer?
At some point though surely you will realise that these posts are adding nothing to the forum and in many ways are detrimental to getting new people involved.

In many ways the old adage "if you have nothing useful to say, then say nothing" applies and this applies to all of us.

Now of course this does not mean posts should go unchallenged but there is a point where responses go too far and I think this thread has reached that point.