The rabs gas plan.

Rabs

Rabs

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Alright, I'm just gona throw this out there.

With current gas prices hurting the Americas poor, I propose as assistance program.

Every household liveing under the poverty line in there state receive a scannable credit card that takes a certain percentage (based on how far below the poverty line they are, ranging from 25-100%) of the government tax off the total charge of there gasoline purchase. This data is logged on all of the gas stations computers and then reported in there tax fileings. The amount of tax dollars the states lose due to this program can be reinbursed (sp) by the federal government with cutbacks in the bloated welfare and education budgets, and a small tax increase on the top 1% of America's tax payers, and a complete halt of all finacial aid ofa ny kind to non-US citizens.

Additonaly, you (along with any other user of the card in your family) will have to go to the DMV and have your picture taken. This will also insure that only American citizens that need the help will get this card.

I know there are problems with it and I hope to discuss them, I might eventually wright this in some form or another to my Senator.
 
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what we need to do is stop with all these friggin tax breaks...my dad ended up getting almost 60% of what he payed in taxes back...that is f:cen:ing ridiculous
 
what we need to do is stop with all these friggin tax breaks...my dad ended up getting almost 60% of what he payed in taxes back...that is f:cens:ing ridiculous
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Well I agree unless your family needs all that money back, for finacial reasons. Can we please focus on the issue?
 
I believe that I have a better plan ...

I believe that I have a better plan ... let's take a few Petroleum Company CEOs and initially hang them up by their heels from the nearest oak tree with a message that they need to bring these skyrocketing pump prices under control (and) the next hanging would be around their necks if the prices didn't start to fall to a reasonable level.

I bet you we would see a fast result at the pumps ... the price would topple at least 75-85 cents a gallon (or) more.

Understand what I am saying ... I am NOT saying that these companies shouldn't make a profit ... what I am saying is that the profit should be a reasonable profit ... NOT unrestricted record breaking profits.

What these companies are doing IS price gouging pure and simple.
 
Bring out more ethanol vehicles and you are sorted. Scandinavian countries are ready to go on this concept and Volvo will release two multifuel models by the end of this year as well as Saab and Fiat. Four vehicle companies have 10 to 15 ethanol engines in their product range and fuelprices compared to 95 octane unlead transports you back to 1989 when one litre was 7.99 NOK (about one dollar).

Topic concerned, your idea is good but it is safe to promote more credit in times like these even it is credit paid by the official authoroties? They have to get their money from somewhere...
 
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Sounds cool, but can we nationalize the energe industry too? :p
Though instead of cutting back on welfare and education I would increase taxes on the top 10% of the American economic ladder.
 
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Topic concerned, your idea is good but it is safe to promote more credit in times like these even it is credit paid by the official authoroties? They have to get their money from somewhere...
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I listed were the money would come from.
 
What, more tax breaks? Have you seen the deficit lately?

If anything, we should be giving that money back to the government.

Oh yeah, and the oil industry is run by money-grubbing scumbags. Thank you.
 
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What, more tax breaks? Have you seen the deficit lately?

If anything, we should be giving that money back to the government.

Oh yeah, and the oil industry is run by money-grubbing scumbags. Thank you.
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Why is it that you continue to miss the main point? ... the pump prices continues to skyrocket while the petroleum industry continues to declare record breaking profits every quarter.

This is out and out price gouging and part of the above (money-grubbing scumbags), is absolutely accurate ... if you can't see this, you must work for the industry (or) you must hold stock in energy futures.

FACT: The petroleum industry DOES have the power to limit price increases at the pump. By NOT doing so, this is in and of itself an indication of price gouging. PERIOD
 
I have to agree with the Chief....also a major problem is not as many refineries as there were in 1970's...many were fly-by-night operations that did more harm than good, BUT they did produce fuels and POL....the supply problem is also caused (at least what I have read) by Wall Street speculators....complicated by that massive spending by Red China supported by western banks...and India is using much more too...

In therory, what you propose sounds reasonable Rabs
 
It's easier than all that. Just convert to a national sales tax. You're only taxed on what you consume. The "poor" get a rebate. We all live happily ever after. Read up on John Linder's plan. It makes sense.
 
The 5.56x45mm gas plan.

Tell the hippies to shut up, drill off the coast of Florida and the other Gulf states, The Caribou are screwed, we're drilling in Alaska too. Build more Refineries, set a national gas standard. Different states can't set up those funky gas types with all of those different chemicals. And one but last thing. Tell OPEC to lower it's prices or we won't by gas from them.
 
Rabs buddy, your plan sounds like you have been listening to too much socialist rhetoric. Sorry but I'll pass on the subsidised gas. I have a better plan, if you can't afford it take the bus, ride a bike, buy a horse or walk.
 
bulldogg said:
Rabs buddy, your plan sounds like you have been listening to too much socialist rhetoric. Sorry but I'll pass on the subsidised gas. I have a better plan, if you can't afford it take the bus, ride a bike, buy a horse or walk.
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I would like to agree with you ... but ... in this day and age it is almost impossible to carry on a day to day existence without wheels. Not every community has the means to call a cab, take a bus (or) use a "mass transit" substitute. Without wheels in these communities, you will lose your job very quickly.

The US is NOT organised completely enough to adhere to your suggestion.
 
Bravo sierra Chief. I did it for years before I left the states. Mountain biked to work, to the grocery store, taking my kids to and from day care, took the bus when I needed to go further. It is not necessary, people have just gotten soft and take the path of least resistance but that does not constitute a necessity.
 
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The 5.56x45mm gas plan.

Tell the hippies to shut up, drill off the coast of Florida and the other Gulf states, The Caribou are screwed, we're drilling in Alaska too. Build more Refineries, set a national gas standard. Different states can't set up those funky gas types with all of those different chemicals. And one but last thing. Tell OPEC to lower it's prices or we won't by gas from them.
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That will not help. There is profit to be made! Even though that would seem to make sense according to traditional supply and demand rhetoric, the theory that drilling a little more oil in Alaska and off the coast of Florida will drop oil prices won't work. It fails to take into account that oil is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE IN HUMAN HISTORY, gas companies care about one thing ($), and sweet oil is running out. The free market won't drag us out of this problem.
 
bulldogg said:
Bravo sierra Chief. I did it for years before I left the states. Mountain biked to work, to the grocery store, taking my kids to and from day care, took the bus when I needed to go further. It is not necessary, people have just gotten soft and take the path of least resistance but that does not constitute a necessity.
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bulldogg - have a major problem with your example, I live approximately 13 miles from the nearest population center and it's food market, job, medical offices, etc, etc, etc.

AND ... definitely won't work when there is two foot of snow and ice on the road. As I said, not everybody CAN use your idea. NOT because they wouldn't like to ... they can't do it because it is just impossible with their lifestyle and choice of where they live.

Mass transit doesn't serve my rural community ... also ... no taxis/bus service.
 
Its all about choice. You choose to live there and you reap both benefits and consequences for it. It doesn't and should not ever mean others should subsidise your choice.
 
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