It's not the medal itself, it's how quickly the DD214 was put out there...that just doesn't happen in my experience. I hate talking about medals because 1. Most of them are simply for showing up 2. The commendations are pretty consistent across the board with everyone else and 3 the ones with Vs on them just remind me of some of the worst times in my life. Nobody could ever understand what they cost to me except those who were with me...other vets might relate, but never with "yeah, I got a BSM/V too". It is more along the lines of "I hear you brother, or talking about their war, or their friends, or their funny incidents, and their tragedies....but never medals. Because the grunts in the know, realize it's all b******t. Someone on our side likely died on that day, and they give you a medal like it'll bring them back...when all it does is remind you of what it means...

I just found it odd...my gut is usually pretty spot on in these matters...

Why are there SO many PTSD cases coming out of Afghan its starting to become a bad joke , I'm not criticizing this just curious , 2200-2300 hundred Americans killed in 11 years that wouldn't have made a good month in Vietnam . My rank of E-4 was not much but I did well to hang on to it I was not an ass kisser , brown nose , ect , Google up the battle of the hour glass 1/5/68 the of role of the 116th I was there that night . I would like to point out that I did not mention medals at first another wondered did an E-7 maybe I don't know .

Originally Posted by tetvet

Why are there SO many PTSD cases coming out of Afghan its starting to become a bad joke , I'm not criticizing this just curious , 2200-2300 hundred Americans killed in 11 years that wouldn't have made a good month in Vietnam . My rank of E-4 was not much but I did well to hang on to it I was not an ass kisser , brown nose , ect , Google up the battle of the hour glass 1/5/68 the of role of the 116th I was there that night . I would like to point out that I did not mention medals at first another wondered did an E-7 maybe I don't know .

So you are saying veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan don't have a PTSD claim because of their KIA numbers? Let me fill you in on something...during Vietnam, for every 1 guy killed there was 3 wounded. Today, the minimum ratio is 1-11 and as high as 1-16. So what if they're not killing us a thousand a month? You also had a TON of more soldiers in the field then we do. We never had more than 170,000 in Iraq or more than 80,000 in Afghanistan at a time. You had 540,000 in country at the height of yours. We are better trained, better equipped, better armored, and have much better medical care....other wise the ratio would be about the same.

Here's the difference, you only had to do ONE tour....12 months....that's it....during the height of our wars it was typical for a soldier over a 4 year enlistment to spend 30 months of that time down range. You've got no clue as to what our wars were like...which is obvious...and you certainly have a sense of superiority about it all, which is readily apparent.

Bottom line, you were a POG. You flew, shot for a few minutes, prepped LZs with fire, SUPPORTED the grunts, maybe even had a few hot LZs....then you went back to the flight line, cleaned your weapons, ate your meals out of a dining hall, drank at the E club, and slept on a cot. A grunt would never talk like you do, you never slogged through months of heat, cold, rain, sandstorms, dealing with dysentary, living among all the dead, putting broken cigarettes in your nostrils to kill the smell, walking in filth with torn pants showing your pecker to the world because these are the only ones you've got til the next re-supply. You aren't fooling me...while I look up your battle, you look up a FEW of mine...thunder runs into Baghdad with the subsequent 3 DAY battle. 2nd battle of Fallujah with 2 WEEKS of house to house/ room to room fighting. Or just read about Ramadi in general before 2007. I was a grunt. I didn't kill from 200-1000 meters away from a nice safe helo, and I didn't act like my shit didn't stink because of it. I killed from much, MUCH closer, face to face closer, and I didn't need a chip on my shoulder afterwards because of it. Screw you and your PTSD comment.

If you're gonna make assumptions, we are gonna make assumptions, and I've studied your war FAR more than you've studied mine.

Again use a lot of words to say nothing , I was asking a question , the VA says most of the PTSD claims are bogus as much as 75-80 % that's the VA figures not mine which keep those that need the care from getting it , also these people have to be reviewed , most are sent to anger management .

Originally Posted by tetvet

Again use a lot of words to say nothing , I was asking a question , the VA says most of the PTSD claims are bogus as much as 75-80 % that's the VA figures not mine which keep those that need the care from getting it , also these people have to be reviewed , most are sent to anger management .

Read the book Stolen Valor before you talk to me about phony VA claims of PTSD. Seems your generation pioneered how to defraud the VA for that golden 100% disability rating long before Iraq or Afghanistan. With all sorts of tall tales of BS heroics and massacres...reminds me of someone here...

How could you get nothing out of what I said? Are you that dense? Or are you just bitter? Show me these VA numbers you're coming up with too...Or do you just make shit up. You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you!

What point were you trying to make about the KIAs from A-stan then? "No big deal" or "not that bad" or, my favorite "I was in a real war". Is that your point?

Did Oliver Stone interview you for information about his last battle scene in Platoon?...because that is supposed to be the battle you're claiming....except you were in the air (if what you say is true), which is decidedly different than being on the ground....it's as if all your words are punchlines from every nam movie ever made. Did you say "I love the smell of napalm in the morning too". Oh sorry, different movie. What a crock.

Oliie Stone wasn't at the hour glass that I know of but it was a great movie , I'm beginning to think you're missing a brick , two maybe , too many issues , too much verbiage , the generation gap too big . I would prefer you take your show on the road and stop replying to my posts .

I don't have issues with people unless they're idiots. You've got a chip on your shoulder and make ludicrous statements then wonder why people have a problem with them.

The generation gap isn't too big. I've talked to numerous vets from your generation and never had a problem with them. We have found a lot of common ground between us. Seems you aren't really interested in that. You just want someone to agree with you and your idiotic statements. Then, you claim "too much verbiage". WTF does that mean? Can you not read? Or are you too lazy or unwilling to see anyone else's point? Maybe if you put your fingers in your ears and jam your eyes shut and the scream " la la la" it might work out for you. If you post dumb shit on here, I'm gonna reply. I'm not into groupthink. I'm not gonna shake my head in agreement when someone makes a claim that begs refutation. If you don't want me to respond to your posts, then stop posting stupid drivel.

Originally Posted by tetvet

Again use a lot of words to say nothing , I was asking a question , the VA says most of the PTSD claims are bogus as much as 75-80 % that's the VA figures not mine which keep those that need the care from getting it , also these people have to be reviewed , most are sent to anger management .

The VA provides free treatment for patents including (PTSD and other mental concerns). If after in treatment it is determined your disability prevents you from working they can submit you for a disability claim. The 3/4 refusal statement is simply not accurate, I don’t know how it was derived. If they are convinced of your claim, the staff will champion you case through the claim process. The only fly in the ointment is the process is a bit slow.

Hey Tet, from one grunt to another go hit up the VA.

I'm ready, carry on.