Some fool mentioned something about expanded service medals or some s--t like that just pointing out that might not be the case . My whole time in service stateside Korea and Vietnam I never heard the term hero mentioned , not once , today anyone in uniform is a hero and that may be the case I don't know .

So you are at bitter at the treatment you recieved so now you shit on those of us today because America learned its' lesson from your war. Did the WWII and Korea vets ever talk down to you after you got home? That is the reason my dad didn't go to the VA until 2005, was because those older vets looked down on the Vietnam ones...guess what you're doing?

Yeah, you served, good on you and much respect for that. Yeah, you served during Tet, again respect. But don't think for a second it ended with your generation. We have fought our asses off for 2,3,4, or more tours. We even have guys who have had their legs blown off and fought their way back into the fight. You want to be called hero, fine, you're a hero, the greatest hero and us young pups just don't have a clue without your heroes guidance...

everyone has asked me why did we keep taking the same hill or town , rice paddy over an over , m y reply is the terrain was not the objective the occupiers were , kill off a few then move on come back kill off some more , people were always the objective , I cannot pretend to understand the Afghan conflict and the ROE , build bigger vehicles to protect against IED , they build bigger IED .

I don't remember anyone asking in this conversation. WTF does that have to do with anything that has been said over the last few posts?

Every war has a objective some times the objective is not clear to civilians like me what was the objective in Iraq and even more so what is the objective in Afghan and could these objectives been accomplished in a much shorter time frame , now we're back flipping the same rabble and rubble , my way of thinking Korea was the last war the U.S. won .

See...there's that rambling again. No, I did not toot my own horn as you put it. I was making a point. You want to talk down to veterans, yet you barely made Corporal or Specialist. I hate to tell ya, but it doesn't take much to earn that. I have recruits make it out of basic training as an E4. See my thing is that you ramble - and insult people without cause. I mentioned my medals, because you mentioned your service. You talk down to people who serve, but those are the people who have done more - earned more than you. Yet...here you are. What do you gain out of this?

Oh and by the way, since you want to be so technical, World War Two was the last war the US won. Why? Because that was the last time Congress declared war - meaning that the US was technically not at war during Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf, or Iraq.

Too bad you're retired. I'd give you a direct order to get lost, Corporal. (And that's coming from an E7.)

The VA now has great programs for veterans. No lack of treatment. Free Consoling, help with jobs, medical, the list goes on. It wasn't always this way believe me. I may be off base but someone says he received bad treatment. If he needs treatment now including psychological treatment for war related issues or bad treatment upon return to civilian life it's available.

Originally Posted by tetvet

E-4 , DFC , ACM/V , AM/V 14 AM /M PLUS THE USUAL I WAS THERE MEDALS , and I was NEVER willing to die for my Country I let my enemy have that choice and I was there to help him . If you have to blow your own horn nothing comes out .

The more I look at this the more I grow curious on how an E-4 was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross. I talked to my dad, who did two tours in nam as a helicopter door gunner and asked how common DFCs were for lower enlisted and he said it was damn near impossible. They are almost 100% of the time reserved for pilots. Now I'm not saying it didn't happen, but in over 20 years of study of that war I've never seen it and my dad said that in the Corps it just wouldn't happen. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Generally, it's also my experience that someone who throws out their medals at the first opportunity is usually full of shit. As if medals mean anything anyways, those of us who have been in the fight on the ground know how inflated some areas are, and how hugely brave actions get overlooked all the time(especially if they're lower enlisted)

Originally Posted by crazytanker

See...there's that rambling again. No, I did not toot my own horn as you put it. I was making a point. You want to talk down to veterans, yet you barely made Corporal or Specialist. I hate to tell ya, but it doesn't take much to earn that. I have recruits make it out of basic training as an E4. See my thing is that you ramble - and insult people without cause. I mentioned my medals, because you mentioned your service. You talk down to people who serve, but those are the people who have done more - earned more than you. Yet...here you are. What do you gain out of this?

Oh and by the way, since you want to be so technical, World War Two was the last war the US won. Why? Because that was the last time Congress declared war - meaning that the US was technically not at war during Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf, or Iraq.

Too bad you're retired. I'd give you a direct order to get lost, Corporal. (And that's coming from an E7.)

He wasn't even a corporal, he was what they called a spec 4 and what we call a sham shield...

Nothing I better than being criticized be cause that leaves the door open for me to return the favor , the medals I mention are mine , it is quite true that the DFC is considered a officers medal but its awarded case by case , I invite my distracters to Google up the battle of the hour glass 1/5/68 and the 116 role , my rank E-4 spec wasn't much but I did well to hang on to it ,