Propaganda as a Military Tool - Page 4




 
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March 13th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Churchill also said this about America:

"To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!...Hitler's fate was sealed. Mussolini's fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder."

I like this one:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
March 13th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Churchill also said this about America:

"To have the United States at our side was to me the greatest joy. Now at this very moment I knew the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all!...Hitler's fate was sealed. Mussolini's fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to powder."

I like this one:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

of course...it could be said the we both could be accused of the second point!

which ever way you cut it, winston churchill was one of a kind, we shall never see another like him!
March 13th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Uh, no. I've changed my mind about some things here. Can't say the same for you. And the "bad America" mantra is your's. I've never harped repeatedly about anything here least of all a long boring tyraid against one particular country.
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March 13th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Uh, no. I've changed my mind about some things here. Can't say the same for you. And the "bad America" mantra is your's. I've never harped repeatedly about anything here least of all a long boring tyraid against one particular country.
i stand by my statements in this thread and would just like to say "cheers mate" because i won't be checking this one again. i'm sick of fighting with you charge, think whatever you want of me....i don't care
March 13th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Charge_7
Uh, no. I've changed my mind about some things here. Can't say the same for you. And the "bad America" mantra is your's. I've never harped repeatedly about anything here least of all a long boring tyraid against one particular country.
The funny thing is that I dont see america as bad (I was educated there and I am married to an american) but I do find that a certain type of american seems to demand respect while never showing it and that is something very few if any New Zealanders are prepared to accept which is why Chewie and myself will always return fire over.

In essence you stop blowing your own horn and we will stop complaining about the noise.
March 13th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Hey guess what, sunshine? I don't always speak about America only. In addition to her many great achievements I've also acknowledged her occasional failures. Of course you fanatics see nothing but what fits your mantra. Plenty of times I've said complimentary things about other nations, including Britain and the Commonwealth. However, I have _never_ sullied myself to harp repeatedly against any particular nation.
March 13th, 2005  
Doc.S
 
I think that the Vietnam war is a good example of post-modern propaganda stunts amongs that éras leaders and media. Todays liberal media and socialist politicians all over Europe use it as alot of the new socialist wave that seems to have hit U.S soil like a Scud missile. Alot of our Hollywood stars use it and thats why I have droped alot of respect for them since alot of them have been more of an political tool then actors. Cant blame me for being sick of Liberal thinking, I live in the garden of eden kit sweden home of all homosexual ppl and the liberal lifestyle.

Only thing that is missing is that crack and auto-injection set begins to sell in our local self-service shop`s. If propaganda as a Military Tool works today, then you dont have to go far back in history to get that one answered. I think about the Madrid bombings and reactions that followed when that so called majority of the Spanish ppl voted out soldiers from Iraq, It is a living proof of what lies ahead for Europe and the EU style --- A new Middle East and a brand new Gaza stripe where bandits, scums, maffia and terrorists all togheter with some local hippies will run this part of the west. A good combination for a modern society isn`t it? That is before all get converted and indoctrinated to true believers of a great state simular to Iran or post Afghanistan, where beheadings and stoning of raped women at football stadiums will be a new form of reality shows.

Cheers:
Doc.S
March 13th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 

Topic: Re: Propaganda as a Military Tool


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Originally Posted by Knightraptor
Throughout history propaganda has had a role in swaying public opinion for or against something. It can also sway the morale of troops. I would like opinions on the current status and future of propaganda in war. Things to take into consideration are: The internet as a new medium, satellite radio, and just the global community interconnected like never before.

Well this is pointless, I am going back to the original question, having read a bit of the propaganda prior to the Gulf War 2 I dont think it has really changed over time, new mediums are being used to get it out to the masses but some of the stuff I saw was almost a direct copy of Crimean war propaganda with a new date.

I tend to believe that it very little effect on troops as they are reasonably well informed anyway and can see the facts for themselves.
March 13th, 2005  
Dokthorov
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
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By the way, did you Father serve in WW II, if so what did he thought of the leaflet? And was there an image of US troops bombing indiscriminately?
He sure did, he snuck into the army at 17 year old (NZ required its troops to be 20 years old) but was caught just before joining his unit in North Africa so he spent three years taging through Africa as an observer before finally joining the New Zealand forces at Monte Casino.

As for the leaflet he thought it was funny which is why he kept it I assume and it is one of two things about americans that made him laugh, the other was about american troops wearing "US" badges when US in commonwealth armies was painted on broken equipment and stood for "UnServicable".

Other than that he really didnt have much to do with US troops and rarely spoke of them although oddly enough he was impressed with the Germans.
Whoa, how did it survive 3 year stuck out there? Sounds like a interesting story to me! Did he publish it?

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"US" badges when US in commonwealth armies was painted on broken equipment and stood for "UnServicable".
Lol, that is one to remember.
March 13th, 2005  
Dokthorov
 
Dear all,

I don't quite know how to put it and don't want to crack down on people, but please, please, please, try to keep biased opinion down, as it general dissolves into shouting matches. And if you want to, please create you own post so you can shout at each other at free will.
I am active on three historic sites and it's quite boring to see this repeated over and over again.
If General Patton or Mister Churchill said something, please try to give them the respect due and consider if the quote need to be given context.
When did Patton or Churchill say so? Maybe they were just angry and why? Maybe they are misquoted? Do try to respect them and quote them correctly.

I would be interested in the fact that maybe there were grounds for the US troops relying on heavy destructive firepower in such a way that was used by the germans (and others later on) in their propaganda.
The propaganda I saw in the WW II stresses the destructiveness of all allied artillery and bombers. Not only the US.
A book written by an american on american troops suggest that the US relied on heavy fire power, he's not explicit if this was different with other allied troops. Ground troops were fearfull of their own allied(underscore allied: not us) bombers. Some incidents gave them cause to.

Does anyone by the way that this 'habit' was used against US in later wars ?
And is it a theme used today against them?

I read some field manual the US ground forces used in the 80's which stressed movement and firepower.

I remember that in Vietnam the US also relied on heavy fire power. At least this image does stuck to my mind. I know next to nothing about vietnam, does anyone have an idea, and was it used against them (to good effect?)