The Problem with "good" Muslims - Page 4




 
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Boots
 
August 10th, 2005  
gladius
 
There you go again with your personal attacks.

...and you blame me for personal attacks, you need to look at yourself more closely.

Im not instigating that your friend is decieving you.

What I said essentially was that Muslims have beliefs that they share only with other Muslims. They do not share this stuff with non-muslims

And that people can keep their ideologies and friendships separate.

Whether your friend does it or not I don't know. In fact, I even said that he could be one of the Muslims who are moderates and not support the terrorist at all(I know I mentioned this).

You were equating your experience with your friend to everybody's experience, and you seem to think that is tha finality of it, and you get mad when its not. There is a broader spectrum than solely your experience alone.

Whispering Death even made the point of what I was trying to say. You just don't seem to get it. You now have degenerated this into a personal attack and you blame me for it, you are cracking nonsense.
August 10th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
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Whether my Muslim friend that I helped was symphatetic to terrorist, I didn't bother to ask, he probably wouldn't tell me the real truth anyways. The same with your friend.
You don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you're not saying my friend is deceiving me? You did just there.

I said it before, I'll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing. I never once applied my experience with my friend to equate to all Muslims. I said - one more time - that if he exists, others like him do as well and your wish to catagorize all Muslims is wrong.
August 10th, 2005  
gladius
 
I said that because I know, and I told you repeatedly that there are certain aspects of the Muslims religion that that Muslims do not discussed with non-muslims.

I did not say he was decieving you, but there are certain thing he will never talk to you about because you are NOT Muslim.

In any case if he truly does not like the terrorist then he in fact has told you truth, if this is so then good.

If there is some part of him that does have feelings of sympathy for the terrorist then he will not tell you about it, because you are not Muslim, simple as that.

Also did I not sya there are true Muslim moderate who truly do not agree with terrorist, so do you keep bringing this categorizing all stuff. I am pointing out an aspect of their religion that is there.
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August 10th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Whether my Muslim friend that I helped was symphatetic to terrorist, I didn't bother to ask, he probably wouldn't tell me the real truth anyways. The same with your friend.
You don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you're not saying my friend is deceiving me? You did just there.

I said it before, I'll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing. I never once applied my experience with my friend to equate to all Muslims. I said - one more time - that if he exists, others like him do as well and your wish to catagorize all Muslims is wrong.
gladius is right that certain perceptions of belief's and ideologies about worldly affairs of muslims do differ from that of the western people.

Muslims do tend to hide their personal feelings about the complicated issue of terrorism from their western buddies. This is not true in all the cases though and some would come out clear but most are careful including me!
August 10th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
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Originally Posted by TBA_PAKI
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
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Whether my Muslim friend that I helped was symphatetic to terrorist, I didn't bother to ask, he probably wouldn't tell me the real truth anyways. The same with your friend.
You don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you're not saying my friend is deceiving me? You did just there.

I said it before, I'll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing. I never once applied my experience with my friend to equate to all Muslims. I said - one more time - that if he exists, others like him do as well and your wish to catagorize all Muslims is wrong.
gladius is right that certain perceptions of belief's and ideologies about worldly affairs of muslims do differ from that of the western people.

Muslims do tend to hide their personal feelings about the complicated issue of terrorism from their western buddies. This is not true in all the cases though and some would come out clear but most are careful including me!
Duh! Christians beliefs and ideologies about worldly affairs differ from Muslims too. Is this really necessary to point out? It isn't relevant to the discussion.

Also, if you read my earlier posts I quite clearly stated that Muslims do not make an effort to voice their opinions exactly as you say, because they're being careful - both not to call attention to themselves and not to be misunderstood in a discussion that could impact their lives. This does not mean, however, that they are deceitful with non-Muslims whom they do know and do trust.
August 10th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
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Originally Posted by TBA_PAKI
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
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Whether my Muslim friend that I helped was symphatetic to terrorist, I didn't bother to ask, he probably wouldn't tell me the real truth anyways. The same with your friend.
You don't even know what you're saying anymore. So you're not saying my friend is deceiving me? You did just there.

I said it before, I'll say it again since you seem to be hard of hearing. I never once applied my experience with my friend to equate to all Muslims. I said - one more time - that if he exists, others like him do as well and your wish to catagorize all Muslims is wrong.
gladius is right that certain perceptions of belief's and ideologies about worldly affairs of muslims do differ from that of the western people.

Muslims do tend to hide their personal feelings about the complicated issue of terrorism from their western buddies. This is not true in all the cases though and some would come out clear but most are careful including me!
Duh! Christians beliefs and ideologies about worldly affairs differ from Muslims too. Is this really necessary to point out? It isn't relevant to the discussion.

Also, if you read my earlier posts I quite clearly stated that Muslims do not make an effort to voice their opinions exactly as you say, because they're being careful - both not to call attention to themselves and not to be misunderstood in a discussion that could impact their lives. This does not mean, however, that they are deceitful with non-Muslims whom they do know and do trust.
Well you have a valid point that true friendship stands out between such situations and this is an indication of a broad minded approach among the thoughts of muslims about the perception of their western buddies.

But this ideology applies only in case that both such partners of different belief's share an ideal relationship among them and do not let worldy affairs disturb it.
August 18th, 2005  
Doc.S
 

Topic: Re- The Problem with "Good" Muslims


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Rabs wrote:
The problem is that in a war on terror, your either with us or against us. Even if its non-violent people that preach hate about America from within our borders. Theres at least a 100 diffrent countries they can go to or a nice comfy bed at gitmo.
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The world is not so black and white. If you say nothing are you then guilty of not being "with us"? If you disagree with any part of what is happening are you also so guilty?
So then they have had a free ride, all this time! Someone's *got* to take responsibility if the job's going to get done! You think that's easy? We must all fear evil people. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good people. I have a solution on this whole damn thing. That is a piece of land big as some larger state. Buy it free from the gouvernment. Make a constitution as they are doing in Iraq at this moment, where you simply forbid Islam inside itīs boundarys.

And all people that want to hang around with Muslims, can do that OUTSIDE this new state, because some of us get`s kind of tired of taking the naive and stupid under our wings when the shit hitīs the propeller and they realise what the reality looks like. Another great thing with such a state. There is nothing a couple of Patriot SAM units canīt solve in the sky if there is going to be suicide air-men in the skies. There is no Muslim that will cross that boarder because you have to convert before even taking a step in to that land. That land is for people that want to live and not have to toss themselves into submission as fast as a foreigner says "die you infidels".

This place would be like the Vatican very closed for the rest of the world. And socialism as communism would be as banned as national socialism (Nazi) is in Sweden. You might think I`m being unjust and only carring about my "people" But I got news. We are in this for the specie boys and girls. Wouldīnt make much sence to me to declare jihad on my own "country" now would it? This place should alow all world religions except for Islam. Convert and then you are free to believe in whatever god you want. But Islam is banned for all eternity.

Then you keep people safe, and only then you will have a safe haven for people that have taken a stand for a life in freedom and free from outside oppression in form of foreign terrorism, bombs as with financial terrorism = oil etc, etc. Everyone in that community should lay an oath a promise to defend this land/country from outside attacks such as Islamic Insurgents and their supporters amongs common people in the rest of this world.

Doc.S medicin man