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Topic: Re: The Problem with "good" MuslimsQuote:
And as I said before, I have spoken to him at length about what his beliefs are. He has been my friend for over 8 years now. I have every reason to trust him. I have far less reason to trust you as your beliefs of mistrust and deceit tell more about you then any shred about him. |
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Topic: Re: The Problem with "good" MuslimsQuote:
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Topic: Re: The Problem with "good" MuslimsQuote:
I am simply saying what the Muslim beliefs are, and your personal friendship between the two of you---are two seperate enteties entirely. Peole can still be best friends but believe in different ideologies. The best example I can give was from the movie "Getysburg" where two generals from opposing sides where still best friends even during the same battle (true to life). Who knows maybe this guy is a true Muslim moderate who doesn't beleive in terrorism. But then he would be in the minority (at least around the world). That doesn't mean the rest don't. You were saying that the original post was unintelligent, which it wasn't. You seem to be equating your friendship with this guy to a global prespective, which is a total misrepresentation. Just because things work out for you in a personal one to one level doesn't means it works that way all the way around, I think its a bit arrogant to think that way. I think you are taking this a little too personal, by saying I have beliefs of "mistrust and deceit". I merely pointing out facts. The fact is: people who have strong religiuos beliefs, will hold those beliefs above all other earthly things, whether it is country, friendship, or what have you. This is fact, plain and simple . Your relation to your friend doesn't change that (how seriuosly he takes his religion does however). Another fact is, Muslims do not discuss certain aspects of their religion to non-muslims. This is only to be discused between Muslims themsleves. |
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I cant honestly cant say that I know anyone I consider a friend but I don't trust or believe are deceptive about the friendship or maybe sympathetic to a group that wants to kill me. I would suggest renaming that "friendship" as an acquaintance. |
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I think the both of you still don't get it that having friends and having religious beliefs can be two seperate enteties. (this applies to non-religious as well)
They can be your freind and also be symphtetic to terrorist. That doesn't mean they want you dead, they don't because you are their friend. But they don't care that the terrorist kill other people they don't know, because this is what thier ideology tells them to believe as far as the big picture goes. A lot of them probably wish it were not so, but its not up to them to decide the big picture scenario, its just what they believe to be true. If a person believes in something strongly enough you can't change that (unless he converts or something). That doesn't mean you can't have good relations with each other. This is my point, not that your freind wants to kill you, he just has a set of beliefs that is totaly alien or diametricaly opposed to yours, as far as the big picture goes. When it come to the small picture (personal matters) it is a different story, then will be there when you need them, and vice-versa. There are examples like I already pointed out of poeple being good friends yet have different ideaologies even during war. Will that freind directly kill the other friend, probabbly not, he will probably turn the other way, but that does not mean does not believe in what he believes in. That guy at work I mention about is a actually a friend, if he needs help I go to help. If I need help, and I have before he has helped me. I can't change what he believes I know this, that doesn't mean we can't treat each other like decent human beings. Quote:
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There are two types of people who do not mix with me.
1) Those who don't watch porn 2) Those that sympathise with terrorists It's that simple. If I'm just getting pissed the hell off at someone chances are good they'll fall into one of those two catagories. That being said, I see where gladius is comming from although it doesn't really apply to me since I don't hold any crazy religious beliefs. Basically he's saying that most muslims sympathise with terrorists in a way simply because that's the religion but they seperate it from their daily life. You might say that's odd but think about this, why are you talking to me? I'm an atheist so I'm going straight to hell... you know, eternity of gnashing of teeth and flames and all that good stuff. Now I'd say that me going to hell is a lot worse than getting hit by an airplane in your office and getting sent straight on up to haven now don't you say? So if you can speak to me on this forum, then it seems reasonable that gladius can hang with his psychopathic muslim buddy. I mean, if your a christian then all terrorists are really doing is sending people to heaven, meanwhile you're hanging with a guy who could lead you with him to everlasting damnation. So hanging with terrorist sympathisers is better than speaking with me 8) Mull that one over. |
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