The Politics of Iraq (why I currently despise politics)

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I've been watching to see when Iraq would make it into the main stream political race between McCain and Obama. The first sign was when people went nuts over McCain's comment that we would be in Iraq for the next 100 years. Then came Obama's claim to pull out all troops from Iraq. He hinted at slowing down that pace to maintain security of US operations. Critics pounced on his speech and he quickly issued a counter speech the next day. Now it seems McCain and Obama have their hands in the cookie jar when it comes to "saving money" from a draw down in Iraq. McCain declares that the saved money would be used to reduce the deficit while ""Sen. Obama's proposals identify reduced expenditures and sources of additional revenue that together more than pay for his middle-class tax cuts, health care plan, and other initiatives," said Obama economic adviser Dan Tarullo." Reducing a deficit sounds like a good idea but the cost of redeployment may cost more than what is currently spent to run the war. Mr. Obama is insane since we are currently running a $300 billion deficit. His plan would reduce the deficit some and then add more to the deficit. There's a winner of a plan.

The whole point of this ramble is I am really sick of politics, more so than I ever have been. I find myself becoming more Libertarian (minus the 24/7 porn on TV and abolishing the US military) every day. As November approaches, I ponder if I should vote for McCain, Obama or write in my dog (who may stand a chance of running the government better than those elected officials who currently sit on the hill). Yes Mr Cafferty I agree, vote all the bums out.

Article on "saving money" by pulling out of Iraq
http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/09/news/economy/mccain_obama_drawdown/index.htm?section=money_latest
 
In the long run, we will not be saving money because we would have to go back there to do it all over again. If we leave any time soon, the past five years have been a waste and all the Americans that died, died for politics. Or, at least, that's the way it would seem to me anyway.

Also, Doody, if your going to be in the military still under the next admin, I strongly suggest you vote for McCain because the alternative will take away your rifles and issue bags of rubber bands.
 
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The alternative probably would, at least try. New military uniform, camouflage tighty whiteys, tank tops and shower shoes. ooh-Rah!
 
Here is more dirt to add to this thread.

The New York Times publishes an OP ED piece by Senator Obama. The New York Times refuses to publish McCain's rebuttal. The link below is from FoxNews but I heard of this from CNN on my Sirius Radio,
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...w-york-times-blocked-op-ed-response-to-obama/

Lets talk about the Obama trip to Iraq as part of a "[SIZE=-1]congressional delegation" so it is fully funded by the government. You have to be kidding me...congressional delegation BS. This trip is a campaign tour by Obama and everyone knows it. I know McCain and others are guilty of trips like this too and I am completely against those as well. I am sure I will have more to complain about from the 2008 Obama campaign tour of the Middle East and Europe.

Crap like what I wrote above just makes me mad (I am being nice with my language). I know 5.56 is with me on this one. Man I am mad.
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The only real way to save money, would be to send all American troops back home. This would also reduce the danger of ever more Moslems having a reason to hate the USA. Terror does not grow on trees, it is a reaction to false foreign policies. Policies which are to blame for the death of too many young Americans during the last fifty years.
 
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That cartoon is the truth even if The New Yorker said it wasn't.... He is going to be the downfall of this great nation.

Obama in '08 means Osama in '09....
 
Englander2 said:
The only real way to save money, would be to send all American troops back home. This would also reduce the danger of ever more Moslems having a reason to hate the USA. Terror does not grow on trees, it is a reaction to false foreign policies. Policies which are to blame for the death of too many young Americans during the last fifty years.
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I have nothing nice to say about this.
Thanks to what the US did from 1917 to at LEAST 1992(?) the world was a much better place. Several generations of MILLIONS of people across the world enjoy a level of freedom and wealth that would have never been possible without America's help. Although there are protesters, there are still people who remember the help that America gave. Unfortunately they are mostly very old now.
And if you need proof on who these people who enjoy a better life thanks to America's intervention are, I'm just one of them and there are millions like myself. Unfortunately most of them seem to forget that America helped their society to be free and wealthy.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
I have nothing nice to say about this.
Thanks to what the US did from 1917 to at LEAST 1992(?) the world was a much better place. Several generations of MILLIONS of people across the world enjoy a level of freedom and wealth that would have never been possible without America's help. Although there are protesters, there are still people who remember the help that America gave. Unfortunately they are mostly very old now.
And if you need proof on who these people who enjoy a better life thanks to America's intervention are, I'm just one of them and there are millions like myself. Unfortunately most of them seem to forget that America helped their society to be free and wealthy.
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What about the other nations that took part in these conflicts and sacrificed lives so you could thank the Americans?

I am not saying the the USA did not contribute a substantial amount to these conflicts and are not deserving of gratitude but it seems that all others have been cheerfully forgotten.
 
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the_13th_redneck said:
I have nothing nice to say about this.
Thanks to what the US did from 1917 to at LEAST 1992(?) the world was a much better place. Several generations of MILLIONS of people across the world enjoy a level of freedom and wealth that would have never been possible without America's help. Although there are protesters, there are still people who remember the help that America gave. Unfortunately they are mostly very old now.
And if you need proof on who these people who enjoy a better life thanks to America's intervention are, I'm just one of them and there are millions like myself. Unfortunately most of them seem to forget that America helped their society to be free and wealthy.
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Agreed Redneck. And what Monty says is not relevant to Redneck's post. He is not overlooking anything but on-topic telling it as it is.
 
MontyB said:
What about the other nations that took part in these conflicts and sacrificed lives so you could thank the Americans?

I am not saying the the USA did not contribute a substantial amount to these conflicts and are not deserving of gratitude but it seems that all others have been cheerfully forgotten.
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We thank the other countries too. All those who played a role. But without the American support, either the help wouldn't have materialized or it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

A good example is how Turks are viewed favorably in South Korea for their Korean War contribution. However, had it not been for the Americans, it was highly unlikely that they would have shown up in the first place.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
We thank the other countries too. All those who played a role. But without the American support, either the help wouldn't have materialized or it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

A good example is how Turks are viewed favorably in South Korea for their Korean War contribution. However, had it not been for the Americans, it was highly unlikely that they would have shown up in the first place.
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You might be able to claim that about the Korean war but it is certainly not the case for either WW1 or WW2.
 
I don't think that's true at all, I have always heard plenty of thanking going around in regards to the allies, not just the Americans when discussing the WW's. What exactly is required to the thanking process anyway besides saying Thank you? As Americans, we've helped different parts of the world and we're lucky to even get a verbal Thank you.
 
MontyB said:
You might be able to claim that about the Korean war but it is certainly not the case for either WW1 or WW2.
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MontyB, re. WW11, I just cannot accept this statement. Whilst acknowledging the amazing contributions of other countries, the involvement of USA was what made the difference. WW11 and post WW11.

No-one can diss what USA did for my country; I have no doubt the
the support and intervention of America saved my country and saved me. This was real, it cannot be denied.
Certainly not on my watch, it can't. No miserable sod can convince me otherwise.

I was here, I saw it, I touched it, I tasted it. The bombing, the threat of invasion, the arrival of Canadian and American troops, living amongst us, giving us kids treats we had never seen before, boosting our morale to an enormous degree.The first time us kids had felt safe.

Americans, believe it, never let them deny your glory and your fantastic contribution to the world. We may never see the like again.:salute2:
 
Aiki - I only say it because it is true! And that is why we have been there. If America, in their difficulties, now had a benign and generous friend to help them, as we had, USA would find solutions simpler.
 
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