Stu said:
I'm not saying all Muslims are bad, in fact there are those who want reform. So I guess you are a ultra-rightist after all..
I'm not ultra-rightist, just merely rightist, and unlike you have common sense and is educated in the facts.
As for the 'putting words in my mouth comment', I quote myself just so you can read it again for what it is:
In response to you saying
I'm not saying all Muslims are bad, in fact there are those who want reform.
This is exactly what I said, and it is exactly the circumstnce going on in the Muslim world right now. A fact which you are totaly oblivious to. You make it as I was saying they are all bad.
There is a faction of Moderate Muslims who want to guide Islam into a more tolerant way of thinking one capable of dealing with the modern world, of which includes making peace with Israel, and the fair treatment of non-Muslims and women.
There is another faction of radical fundamentalist who want to keep it as it was in the 15th century, they are very intolerant of non-Muslims and absolutely hate Israel and want to see it destroyed, and they are very sympatethic to the terrorist. And are also the same one who make life hard for the non-Mulsims living in their country. According to your reasoning we should let them be and keep them going as is.
Do yourself a favor and educate yourself with something other than left-wing PC propaganda. Better yet get a real education.
I said
I dont think its particularly fair you portray Muslim people as bad unless they reform. The view sounds as though your denouncing the religion and its followers as a whole, until they relinquish their beliefs..
So you mean reliquishing their beliefs about supporting those killing innocent people in the name of Allah, ...that's a bad thing, to you apparently so.
You portray a two dimensional circumstance wherein muslims are good if they reform, and bad if they dont.
Your misleading comments make it as if I'm saying they should convert to another religion, when the case is there are those in the Muslim world that denounce alot of the radicalism such as sympathy for terrorist acts in the name of Allah, and the treatemant of non-Muslim (the very point I was adressing), which by the way, doesn't make them any less Muslim.
Your mentality comes from some self-absored totaly ignorant PC left-wing fantasy thinking. You are completely ignorant of the dynamics going on in the Muslim world regarding their views of the world as it regards to their religion. And yout trying to lecture me, please.
Ive been studying Islam and in its various forms and manifestations, including history and writings, as well as the mentality surround it, for around four years now, so please spare me your uneducated garbage.
Despite accusing me of mixing your words, you make your own stint about me disrespecting the plight of non-muslims in islamic states.
This plight of non-muslims in islamic states was the very fact I was addressing, and I gave an example of.
This is the very thing that you attacked by taking my statement and putting your wanna-be intelectual PC garbage comments trying to disregard it and making it something else.
(If you want I could even show the quotes like you did previously, but right now I'll save us the time)
You seem to be ignoring the fact that life is not so easy for non-Muslim people who live in Muslim countries.
To you maybe the persecution of these people is good, to those being persecuted its bad.
I dont know if you see your own irony in that you advocate tolerance for those who are intolerant.
I never mentioned any such sentiments. Nor do I withold them. Don't take swipes just for your own ego's sake.
You are saying you dont, but by simply defending Islam wholesale this is exactly what you are doing. So no I'm not taking a swipe for my own ego sake, I'm am simply putting into words what your actions are doing. Perhaps it is your own bloated ego (through being uneducated about the facts) that made you take such a misguided swipe at me in the first place.
In your ignorance you support Islam as is, even with all the bad that goes on for the sake of PC.
As for your perspective that Islamic religion is responsible for terrorism, I direct you to the centuries of violence in northern ireland, which of course any literate knows of. Of course theres also the little matter of the Spanish Inquisition, the most brutal group of the reformist era who tortured the sins out of poor souls accross Europe. Theres the Chinese and Japanese Buddhist fantatics of the 17-20th Centuries against converts, who became quite adept of mass beheadings and burning of churches. Theres the bombings and execution being performed right up to this day by radical groups in Sri Lanka, Indonesia and central asia in the name of Islam and Christianity.
So if you can be bothered go aheadand do a ratio of the number of conflicts, deaths, or injustice performed in the name of Islam compared to that of Christianity or others. Your misinformed, and I would encourage you to argue with facts instead of engrained political falacy.
Your lame examples are from decades and even centuries ago. The actions taken were already done.
What we are (in case maybe you are still living in a fantasy) is in the NOW. The present time.
Maybe people who are actually in the present (as in NOW) are merely being cautious because there is believe it or not, a real probelm here that needs to be addressed, when it comes to Islam.
The ones you mentioned about in Indonesia were spurred on by Islamic radical groups like Laskars Jihad who raised fighters to wage jihad against the Christians living there. Again you prove your ignorance on this subject. Not to mention it only points to the fact that there is indeed a problem within the Muslim religion, one which in fact adresses that non-Muslims in Muslim countries are not treated well, as I was saying originally.
If people are just simply ultra-right or bigots like you want everyone to believe. How come for the most part they do not come against Buddisim, or Hinduism, some of which have the same populations in some Western countries as do Muslims? Please answer me this before we go on. I would like to know.