POLICE STATE BRITAIN

Britain's move to a police state has been going on for years, not just liberals, socialists and commies.

The1689 Bill of Rights has slowly been eroded piece by piece over many years. Many (majority of?) people in UK are not even aware they have a Bill of Rights at all, those who are aware, the erosion has taken place so slowly over the years as not to cause alarm. The British people are losing what little protection they had from “Big Brother” at an alarming rate, they are no longer citizens, but subjects.
 
It is widely held that we are now enslaved. We have just had our first example of a prominent opposition member of Parliament being arrested, home searched, files taken away, phones removed etc. for releasing information critical of the Government; it turns out that the police did not even have a warrant.
 
It's funny that actually leftist governments seem to restrict individual freedom more than most of our mainstream "conservative" governments. Obviously dictatorships don't fare much better but it's surprising that what is supposed to be done for the purpose of humanity becomes the source of tyranny, over and over again.
 
It is widely held that we are now enslaved. We have just had our first example of a prominent opposition member of Parliament being arrested, home searched, files taken away, phones removed etc. for releasing information critical of the Government; it turns out that the police did not even have a warrant.


I really wonder what will make the indigenous Brit wake up and shout "ENOUGH." Like any typical Police State the cops are out of control, they seriously believe they are above the law and untouchable. Its time they were made to realise they are servants of the public, not the other way round.


After a law was passed regarding smoking in public area's I had some government bod in my shop informing me it was illegal for me to smoke. Now this really pee'd me off, I told him that when he pays the shop rent, pays the salaries of my staff, pays the VAT and income tax, then and ONLY then he can tell me I can't smoke. He left threatening to bring in the cops. I'm still waiting a couple years later.
 
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It's not the police that are out of Control it is our Political Masters, the Police just do what they are told in matters like this. Now it was claimed that National Security was at risk, well the only thing at at risk was a couple of incompetent minister of the state. Now Gordon Brown has often said that he had a Mole in the Bank of England when the Conservative party was in power and he got leaked information and used it in Parliament and the press, and same goes for a number of other senior Labour politicians. Now what action will be taken against them, well nothing and when Labour loses the next election I wonder what they will say if the police start raiding there offices and houses every time they release a bit of sensitive bit of information.
 
It's not the police that are out of Control it is our Political Masters, the Police just do what they are told in matters like this. Now it was claimed that National Security was at risk, well the only thing at at risk was a couple of incompetent minister of the state. Now Gordon Brown has often said that he had a Mole in the Bank of England when the Conservative party was in power and he got leaked information and used it in Parliament and the press, and same goes for a number of other senior Labour politicians. Now what action will be taken against them, well nothing and when Labour loses the next election I wonder what they will say if the police start raiding there offices and houses every time they release a bit of sensitive bit of information.


Sorry mate I dont agree, the police are out of control.
If the police did not have a search warrant to search the MP's home, they carried out the search illegally, the cops broke the law!


Then we come to De Menezes who was shot and killed by armed police. He wasn't simply shot, he was executed.

The jury at the Inquest were told by the coroner that they could not bring a verdict of unlawful killing. Whats the point of having a jury if the Coroner can dictate the verdict?

During the Inquest, a police officer, who was only identified as James, admitted that obvious "failings" led to De Menezes's shooting, and added that he could have been stopped safely before he was killed.

The Telegraph covers this story quite well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1564851/'Shocking-errors-led-to-De-Menezes-death'.html

The decision not to prosecute any police officer for the shooting of Harry Stanley fits an alarming pattern for such cases.
Harry Stanley was born in Bellshill, near Glasgow, Scotland, where he lived for the first 19 years of his life. In the early 1970s Stanley moved to London in search of work and he married his childhood sweetheart, Irene. He had 3 children, and grandchildren, and lived in Hackney, East London. The 46-year-old painter and decorator had only recently been released from hospital after an operation for colon cancer at the time of his death.
On the 22 September1999 he was returning home from the Alexandra Pub in South Hackney carrying, in a plastic bag, a table leg that had been repaired by his brother earlier that day. Someone had phoned the police to report "an Irishman with a gun wrapped in a bag".
Close to his home, Inspector Neil Sharman and PC Kevin Fagan, the crew of a Metropolitan policeArmed Response Vehicle challenged Mr. Stanley from behind. As he turned to face them, they shot him dead at a distance of 15 feet.

WHY? The man was no threat, they had him covered if he attempted to grab a weapon

Of 30 fatalities involving police shootings in the past 12 years no officer has been convicted of murder or manslaughter.

Daniel Machover, the solicitor representing the Stanley family, said there was a real concern that the Crown Prosecution Service had set the evidential bar too high when it came to considering charges against police officers. He said police need only raise a prima facie defence of self- defence to block prospects of a successful prosecution. Lawyers are also concerned that the prosecutors and the Independent Police Complaints Commission, which initially investigates these cases, have become unduly influenced by American experts in the field of ballistic biomechanics, the study of human reaction times and body movement in relation to firearms incidents.

Remember when police armed with revolvers searched the house of a known criminal. While searching under a childs bed a round went off killing the child. The cop should have been charged with manslaughter at least for a number of reasons


(1)Why was his revolver cocked?
(2)Why was his finger on the trigger instead of alongside the trigger guard?


This also raises more questions, why arent British Police trained to fire revolvers double action instead of the highly dangerous practice of single action. This leads to even more questions regaring Police Training.


I have witnessed British Police using firearms on military ranges, quite frankly I was horrified. I have never seen such inpet and bad handling in my life.

I do however fully agree with you regarding inept and corrupt government ministers.
 
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Le is also right. The fact is that what we are experiencing is the politicisation of the police force by the government.
 
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Le is also right. The fact is that what we are experiencing is the politicisation of the police force by the government.

When the police become a political tool, this is where things become dangerous. We have been seeing this in South Africa for quite some time, its exactly like the South African Police under apartheid. The police should be an independent service, free of any political interference by any party.

I knew quite a few coppers in UK, one was actually a good mate of mine. Some of the stories he told me were nearly enough to give anyone nightmares, especially the attitudes of some Chief Constable's.
 
When the police become a political tool, this is where things become dangerous. We have been seeing this in South Africa for quite some time, its exactly like the South African Police under apartheid. The police should be an independent service, free of any political interference by any party.

I knew quite a few coppers in UK, one was actually a good mate of mine. Some of the stories he told me were nearly enough to give anyone nightmares, especially the attitudes of some Chief Constable's.

Right - infact it was a Northern Irish politician who recently accused our government of this - and he should recognise it!

My best pal, and squash partner , was also a great cop - headed the Regional Crime Squad. His teams were the real deal, on the front line, before the police abandoned the streets. He was an ex- Ryal Navy man and was of the opinion that all police should be drawn from those who had first worked in other jobs and understood the other side of the coin. He considered that his job was taking thieves and murderers. But when he was off duty, he would intervene and break up fights in pubs etc.,etc., but never as a policeman - he did that just as the man he was. At the last count he was still running his own security company. In the old days, after his team finished shift at mid-night on New Year's Eve, it was straight up to my party! All of 'em. Great guy, great days, different world.
 
Right - infact it was a Northern Irish politician who recently accused our government of this - and he should recognise it!.

I dont know if you remember a monthly issue gun book in UK called Guns Review, one of the writers was a chap called Colin Greenwood, an ex senior police officer. He wrote many articles regarding the oultlandish attitudes of the police, especially senior officers. He wrote of one incident where an ex British Army solider who was a weapons instructor SNCO, joined the Met and pounded the beat for a few years. Because of his extensive knowledge with firearms he applied to join the armed police and was turned down because (and I quote), "You have too much knowledge with firearms." (Unquote)
 
Like a typical orgainization. They want stupid, young, underqualified dumbasses to join. Not experienced and smart folks.
 
The problem is there are to many people who have many ideas on just how the Police should act in every occasion, and there are Senior Police Officers who now have the same mind set. The idea of chasing and catching criminals is the last thing on some peoples minds. One of the things that strike me is when the Police chase a stolen car, the thief crashes for driving in a reckless manner and it is then deemed to be the fault of the Police for chasing the thief, rather than if the thief hadn't stolen the car there would not have been a chase.
A few week back in central London a chap was firing a a shot gun out of his bedroom window at all and sundry it would appear and after three hours of trying to get him to put the shot gun down and come out the Police shot him dead, and rightly so in my opinion. Yet the next thing you read is that the police over reacted and some people reckoned he was ready to give him self up in the next few minutes.
Now I am not saying what the Police do is always correct its not and I can quote umpteen times when they have got it all wrong, but much of that is because of the rules that they operate under, and certain senior police officers wet them selfs in case they do some wrong and get a blot on their records
 
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