Pearl Harbour one more lie????? - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
March 1st, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
I didn't (I don't mind much either to be frank).
March 1st, 2005  
Zucchini
 
That Trojan-Roman deal was where the Germans got the idea to bomb Pearl.
March 1st, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by Zucchini
That Trojan-Roman deal was where the Germans got the idea to bomb Pearl.
bwahahahaha
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Boots
March 1st, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
I got a PM. Arguing that the ref. To the Spainish ventures in the New World were different. However I'm not going turn this into a cultural flame war. Suffice to say my ancestors saw it from a different perspective.

In regards to the Para-Marines. Try looking under Parachute Bn. The Marine Corps had I believe 4 Parachute Bn's from roughly 41-44. They never deployed in an Airborne role but as amphibious troops due to lack of heavy lift aircraft and suitable DZ's. They were used extensively in the Solomon Islands. GuadalCanal, Gavutu, Cape Gloucester, New Britian and Bouginville.
They were trained at the USMC/USN Parachute School NAS Lakehurst NJ as opposed to Ft Benning Ga. There were also plans for a Marine Air Infantry formation AKA Glider Troops that never happened.

The Parachute Bn's and the Raider Bn's were stood down in early 1944 Late 43 and desprised throughout the 4th and 5th Marine Divisions as cadre when these divisions stood up. Quite a few of the communicaters from the Parachute Bn's were assigned to the Joint Assault Signals Companies (JASOC) the same type units in the Movie "Windtalkers" and the forerunners of todays ANGLICO.
Marine Parachutists on Iwo were many due to their assignments to 4th and 5th MARDIV's. They include Sgt. Mike Strank,PFC Harlon Block , PFC Ira Hayes among the flag raisers. Cpl. Tony Stein lead an Assault Squad and was awarded a posthoumus Medal of Honor for his actions on Iwo was also a former member of the Para Bn's.

Edit to add: 1st Para Bn. moved to Guadalcanal after Gavutau. They were generally paired with 1st (Edsons) Raiders and fought on Edsons Ridge and Bloody Ridge.
March 1st, 2005  
Zucchini
 
Paramarines were widely admired, as were Raiders.

My dad says 2Lt Robert L Manning was killed while leading an assault into a gorge. Several Marines were wounded attempting to recover his body. They didn't want him lying out there, and it took a few days to clear the gorge and get him out.

There was another "canal" Marine in his unit named Boone. Dad went to the brig and got him out just before they loaded up to go to Iwo Jima. Boone was known to have little respect for authority, but was a fearless fighter. He went well ahead of the lines and took out around 6 pillboxes by himself before being killed in action. I have a picture of the bunker where his body was found. He was awarded the Navy Cross for his action on Iwo Jima.

As a group, they accumulated a lot of jewelry.
March 1st, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
And most of them had little wish to wear them at least that was my dad's feeling about the medals he had earned. He said once he'd have traded them all for a good meal when he was out there. His highest decoration none of us ever knew about until he was dead. My brother and I were going through his things and there at the bottom of his dresser we found it. In respect to his wishes of humility and privacy I won't state here which award it was. I will say that though not the Medal of Honor it was damn close. The citation said that he had repeatedly exposed himself to fire in order to ensure that the most effective damage could be inflicted upon the Japanese. And even after having been seriously wounded continued to do the same. I won't elaborate any more on that - that says enough.
March 1st, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
I got a PM. Arguing that the ref. To the Spainish ventures in the New World were different. However I'm not going turn this into a cultural flame war. Suffice to say my ancestors saw it from a different perspective.

In regards to the Para-Marines. Try looking under Parachute Bn. The Marine Corps had I believe 4 Parachute Bn's from roughly 41-44. They never deployed in an Airborne role but as amphibious troops due to lack of heavy lift aircraft and suitable DZ's. They were used extensively in the Solomon Islands. GuadalCanal, Gavutu, Cape Gloucester, New Britian and Bouginville.
They were trained at the USMC/USN Parachute School NAS Lakehurst NJ as opposed to Ft Benning Ga. There were also plans for a Marine Air Infantry formation AKA Glider Troops that never happened.

The Parachute Bn's and the Raider Bn's were stood down in early 1944 Late 43 and desprised throughout the 4th and 5th Marine Divisions as cadre when these divisions stood up. Quite a few of the communicaters from the Parachute Bn's were assigned to the Joint Assault Signals Companies (JASOC) the same type units in the Movie "Windtalkers" and the forerunners of todays ANGLICO.
Marine Parachutists on Iwo were many due to their assignments to 4th and 5th MARDIV's. They include Sgt. Mike Strank,PFC Harlon Block , PFC Ira Hayes among the flag raisers. Cpl. Tony Stein lead an Assault Squad and was awarded a posthoumus Medal of Honor for his actions on Iwo was also a former member of the Para Bn's.

Edit to add: 1st Para Bn. moved to Guadalcanal after Gavutau. They were generally paired with 1st (Edsons) Raiders and fought on Edsons Ridge and Bloody Ridge.
can i just say this....i think having to face US marine coming out of landing craft would be bad enough....but when they start droping from the skies too...THAT'S when you know you've got problems!
March 1st, 2005  
EagleZtrike
 
 
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Are there any studies concerning the knowlodgment of EEUU on an inminent attack to pearl harbour? I think that this attack was just the excuse Rosvelt needed to enter WW II. I should not be surprised because this is the way the US has began or join many wars. (From the war with spain in XIX century: i am talking about the Maine; passing though the vietnam war: the attack to the submarines was a lie...;and arriving to the war or irak, where are the mass destruction weapons??) But these is the things works i guess, the US is the most powerful empiry ever and many times the real origin of wars might not like to the public opinion, so it is better to lie.....what a wonderful world!!
No idea what hes trying to say. Is he trying to say that Pearl harbor was fake?
March 1st, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by EagleStrike
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Are there any studies concerning the knowlodgment of EEUU on an inminent attack to pearl harbour? I think that this attack was just the excuse Rosvelt needed to enter WW II. I should not be surprised because this is the way the US has began or join many wars. (From the war with spain in XIX century: i am talking about the Maine; passing though the vietnam war: the attack to the submarines was a lie...;and arriving to the war or irak, where are the mass destruction weapons??) But these is the things works i guess, the US is the most powerful empiry ever and many times the real origin of wars might not like to the public opinion, so it is better to lie.....what a wonderful world!!
No idea what hes trying to say. Is he trying to say that Pearl harbor was fake?
well why not? the moon landings were....haven't you heard? lol
March 1st, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
I got a PM. Arguing that the ref. To the Spainish ventures in the New World were different. However I'm not going turn this into a cultural flame war. Suffice to say my ancestors saw it from a different perspective.

In regards to the Para-Marines. Try looking under Parachute Bn. The Marine Corps had I believe 4 Parachute Bn's from roughly 41-44. They never deployed in an Airborne role but as amphibious troops due to lack of heavy lift aircraft and suitable DZ's. They were used extensively in the Solomon Islands. GuadalCanal, Gavutu, Cape Gloucester, New Britian and Bouginville.
They were trained at the USMC/USN Parachute School NAS Lakehurst NJ as opposed to Ft Benning Ga. There were also plans for a Marine Air Infantry formation AKA Glider Troops that never happened.

The Parachute Bn's and the Raider Bn's were stood down in early 1944 Late 43 and desprised throughout the 4th and 5th Marine Divisions as cadre when these divisions stood up. Quite a few of the communicaters from the Parachute Bn's were assigned to the Joint Assault Signals Companies (JASOC) the same type units in the Movie "Windtalkers" and the forerunners of todays ANGLICO.
Marine Parachutists on Iwo were many due to their assignments to 4th and 5th MARDIV's. They include Sgt. Mike Strank,PFC Harlon Block , PFC Ira Hayes among the flag raisers. Cpl. Tony Stein lead an Assault Squad and was awarded a posthoumus Medal of Honor for his actions on Iwo was also a former member of the Para Bn's.

Edit to add: 1st Para Bn. moved to Guadalcanal after Gavutau. They were generally paired with 1st (Edsons) Raiders and fought on Edsons Ridge and Bloody Ridge.
Thanks for that Sir. I had a feeling about those Parachute Battalions.

It may be difficult but would WW2 Veterans organisations have information on decorated individual Marines like 2nd Lt Robert L. Manning?

Where can you go to get info like this