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Boots
 
October 20th, 2005  
Rabs
 
 
Well no actually, The muslims can kill all hte jews and only loose a hundred million muslims. That would be worth it to them. Crazy TERRIOST regimes like Iran should not have nuclear weapons. Responsible countrys like USA, France, Britian, dare i say China can have nukes because there for defensive purposes. Iran plans to use there nukes to

A- Destroy Israel
B- Use as a threat
October 20th, 2005  
gladius
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
But isn't it a circular argument? They want them to wipe Israel of the map... So? You wanted yours to wipe Russia of the map and it didn't happen. Somehow many regimes develop the MAD-syndrom. The knowledge that you will kill yourself in the process lessens the thirst to use them.
This is were you are wrong. This is althogether a different entity than the USSR.

The US an USSR wanted to wipe each other of the map, but it was never set in stone that they had to.

For the Muslims (the radical ones especially) it is a different story, it is in their prophecies that someday they will counquer Europe, and kill all the Jews. So they will basicly stuck into fullfilling this in order to legitimize their religion. Not only that, but they simply believe it as fact that it will happen, and see it as their duty to do their part so it does happen.

The possesion of nukes will give them leverage to do both.

But the good news is; they will NOT use their nuclear capabilty as a direct nuclear bomb as far as striking any cities. Like you said MAD situation. Although the loss of their own life to take yours is still victory to them, since to them they inherit paradise. Even so, they are much smarter than that.

The bad new is; they will use this nuclear capability as an EMP device. The EMP device although will sustain hardly any direct loss of human life, this will be far more devestating, than any nuclear attack on a city or even multiple cities. Their eventual goal is to form a Muslim empire. They will use this technology that they are developing now, as part of the weapons of this empire sometime in the near future, in their bid to conquer Europe.

So basicly their aquisition of nuclear weapon will eventually lead to WW3 which they are preparing for now, and they know this, and we (the West) don't.

Don't know what an EMP device is?
Most people don't. But the effects are more devastating than a single or even multiple nuclear bombs directed upon cities. Although the intial direct casualties are virtually zero.
Click here and scroll down a little.
!!!INFO ALERT!!!Effects of EMP blast
October 21st, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
But isn't it a circular argument? They want them to wipe Israel of the map... So? You wanted yours to wipe Russia of the map and it didn't happen. Somehow many regimes develop the MAD-syndrom. The knowledge that you will kill yourself in the process lessens the thirst to use them.

And the argument: "It is a terrorist state" isn't that too in the eye of the beholder? What is terrorism?

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
Source: Merriam - Webster Dictionary)

But threatening with armed intervention is also a form of coercion and could hence be seen as state terrorism. Isn't this a case of an egg - chicken argument?

Don't get me wrong, because I'm no fan of the Iranian government. But one state calling the other one false and aiming it foreign policy on intervening should realise that things aren't always what they seem. Which source do you believe? The one that says the enemy is bad? Well the other side believes that one as well and mass destruction is never far off. I just get very weary of it all.......
Yeah sure, armed intervention is the exact same thing as paying some punks to go blow up civilians. Violence equality for all!

I don't understand what's the deal here. I have no clue how the Iranian government is somehow equal to the US. Or why it is so hard to think of them as bad guys.

It really boggles my mind how you can consider it to be alright for that government to hold nuclear weapons, with it's connections and ambitions- you truely believe that?
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Boots
October 21st, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
With all due respect, Ted!

Your views on Iran are pacifistic and clueless. You may need to search more in that regard
October 21st, 2005  
Ted
 
 
Pacifistic, most certainly! Eventhough I've never been in the military I've seen, heard and read enough about it to hate it. I don't say abolish all arms, because the world we live in...... well, that will be the end.

Clueless.... I might. I don't think that holding on an outline of morals or restraint is being clueless. I don't believe in whiping a country of the face of the earth because someone else points them out as being a threat. It didn't work like that in highschool and it certainy doesn't work for me in real life.
I've read a lot on that repulsive PC and the journalists making up facts. What I'm saying is: what facts do you use to base your opinion on? Aren't they the same facts made by the people you so often criticize?

To end my closing statement (sounds nice doesn't it?) I'll use a quote Tolkien wrote some years ago:

Quote:
Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
J. R. R. Tolkien, The Lord Of the Rings, Book Four, Chapter One
He said this about an evil creature of whom many thought deserved to die. I kind a like it and try to look at people this way before condemning them to my bombers and infantry. What you do will reflect on you for eternity (another nice quote) so you better make sure you use the right facts. It takes some sort of optimism to run into harms way without having the facts sorted out. Something I would call "clueless". Of course intervention is needed at times, as I said before. But invading a country on the pretext of weapons os mass destruction and biological weapons and not finding any...... well, to my eyes it looks rather silly. And before some of you say: "well we won't sit and wait for them to blow up in my back yard!" All I say is: get your facts and fugures straight before you strike!
October 21st, 2005  
sandy
 
Of course I can,t agree NukePlant of Iran.
North korea may buy Nukebomb from Iran.
But,Japan have been supporting Iran for many years by YEN and tech.
And so many Iranian are living in Japan.
At least, Iranian know propriety more than China and south korea.
Before Iran,we should know chinese Nuke missile is targetting Tokyo and Washington.
October 21st, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
Well I am in Paris right now and this is the first I have heard about this story. Im not saying its baloney but its odd the the French or International News hasnt said anything as this is a major diveregence from what France original position.

I will state for the record that there is absolutly no way France would given technology that would lead to Iran owning a nuclear weapon, however the are methods of creating nuclear electricity (such as light water reactors) that impossible to be used in a weapons program. Perhaps the article is refering to that.

Point of Correction: Somebody stated that Iran is sitting on oil, thats not a 100% true statement. It does have oil, but only a limited supply which is expected to run out in about 15 years. Iran does pocess enormous(perhaps the largest in the world?) quantities of Natural Gas.
October 21st, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
15 yrs?!

You gotta be kidding again!

Iran has OIL for the next 105 years. you missed a big zero there.
October 21st, 2005  
Pierrot
 
never heard this news. Personnaly I doubt that we'll give this technology to Iran...
Another source than the "Tehran Times" ?
October 21st, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarsh
I will state for the record that there is absolutly no way France would given technology that would lead to Iran owning a nuclear weapon, however the are methods of creating nuclear electricity (such as light water reactors) that impossible to be used in a weapons program. Perhaps the article is refering to that.
That's what I hoped/figured.

And Ted, this isn't highschool. I don't want to invade Iran or something, far from it, what a terrible mess that would be.

But why do you want to close your eyes and dismiss the bad news about Iran as lies and deception? It's a bad government, okay? Everyone knows that. They have connections to terror networks. They hate the west (primarily the US) and despise Israel. Not that hard to come to the conclusion that these people should not have nuclear technology.