Palestine




 
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Boots
 
September 22nd, 2011  
Alan P
 

Topic: Palestine


The Palestinians are hoping to form The State of Palestine. What do the members of the International Forum think of this. It has been a long hard and volatile road in that area of the Middle East and obviously there are arguments for and against.
In my own opinion everlasting peace must be top of the list for all parties concerned
September 22nd, 2011  
42RM
 
Israel and its US protector have clearly been caught napping by the surprising development of a well-thought-out Palestinian initiative, now backed strongly by Turkey. A draft resolution in the UN Security Council on Palestinian statehood will be vetoed.

Another resolution in the General Assembly will pass by a large majority. Following this a lot of countries will recognize Palestine, with more or less fancy footwork over its borders. Palestinian leaders will rename themselves as Ministers, fly new flags on their cars and offices, and lots of ambassadors will be appointed.

The new state will continue to have a bitter dispute with its neighbour Israel over borders, settlements, Jerusalem as the capital, free movement, water, and refugee return: exactly the same disputes that the Palestinian Authority has now.
September 22nd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Well the way to peace is to give the Palestinians their land back and for them to administer it. If the present day Israelis can't live with that, they'll have to go elsewhere.

I'll say one thing,... I'll bet that the palestinians would be far more hospitable hosts than the Israelis have been for the last 63 years.
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Boots
September 22nd, 2011  
rattler
 
 
Basically all the adversity to the initiative is due to the fact that as fully recognized member Palestine could go to the Hauge´s International Court, and what the outcome of any case opened there will be is more than clear as Israel has quite obviously been defrauding International Law for decades.

It is this political nightmare that US and Israel fear like the devil fears sacred water as it would put both in a situation that they wont have a way out that not either a) would force them to actively disobey court orders (contradicting their own political claims) or b) execute court orders (contradicting their political practice) which in both cases would leave their credibility reduced to zilch.

Rattler
September 23rd, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 42RM
Israel and its US protector have clearly been caught napping by the surprising development of a well-thought-out Palestinian initiative, now backed strongly by Turkey. A draft resolution in the UN Security Council on Palestinian statehood will be vetoed.

Another resolution in the General Assembly will pass by a large majority. Following this a lot of countries will recognize Palestine, with more or less fancy footwork over its borders. Palestinian leaders will rename themselves as Ministers, fly new flags on their cars and offices, and lots of ambassadors will be appointed.

The new state will continue to have a bitter dispute with its neighbour Israel over borders, settlements, Jerusalem as the capital, free movement, water, and refugee return: exactly the same disputes that the Palestinian Authority has now.

The problem is that with the US veto the process will be slowed up considerably as they will have to go to a general assembly vote (where they will most likely get the numbers) but this can take years (Jordan was 5 years I think).

I have followed local government on this issue and the opposition is urging the government to support the bid and the government has not declined its support and even discussed the establishment of an embassy so with luck they will do the right thing but you know how it is with politics the right thing is who can pay the most.
September 23rd, 2011  
LeEnfield
 
 
Now America states that Palestine and Israel should sign a Peace a deal before Palestine can be recognised as an Independent country. Now this will never happen unless Palestine agrees to give up most of it territory and does every thing that Israel says. This will also include that all goods and people bound for Palestine go through a Israeli Port or border control so that they have full control on who and what enters the country
September 23rd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Now America states that Palestine and Israel should sign a Peace a deal before Palestine can be recognised ---snip---
Yeah,... what they are really saying to Palestine is, "you just toss in the towel" so that the other guy can punch your lights out, and then go through your pockets.
September 23rd, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
Making Palestine a legitimate state would give rise to problems between Israel just as often to as before statehood, only now Israel has the option to declare actual war....
September 23rd, 2011  
A Can of Man
 
 


Found this.
September 23rd, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A Can of Man


Found this.
It's all a part of the Israeli plan to entrench themselves so deeply, that other nations will say it has become "too hard" to dig them out. What the Israelis don't realise is that if the Palestinians were full recognition as the owners and given full right of return, as is specified in the Hague conventions, it would be the Israelis who would have to sort out their own mess.
 


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