Pakistan -- oh great, just what we needed ...




 
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Boots
 
November 6th, 2007  
godofthunder9010
 
 

Topic: Pakistan -- oh great, just what we needed ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Pa...e_of_emergency

So Pakistan is now under a "State of Emergency" which appears to have been imposed because the Pakistani Supreme Court may have been about to rule against President Musharraf's eligibility to run in the recent election. This may have seen him removed from office.

Of course, the official reason stated by Musharraf for declaring a state of emergency was "escalating terrorist activities throughout Pakistan" or such.

So now we're looking at one of the USA's best partners and allies in our War on Terror (at the very least, they still work with us) ... creating an internal scandal. Of course, the USA can't condemn such actions.

Is this likely to have a significant impact on US efforts? Is this just business as usual?
November 6th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
Pakistan is a real bureaucratic nightmare. Basically you have the choice of

1. A military Dictatorship under Musharaff who uses fixed elections and police powers to make sure Democracy stays out. This wont last, he will either be overthrown or assassinated.

2. A crook and a bungler (Bhutto) who when she was last President managed to skim $1 Billion off a very poor country and live a very luxurious lifestyle in Dubai and London in exile.

3. Another Bungler and corrupt crook (Sharif), who escaped in bribery makes the US Congress look like the boy-scouts.

4. And finally the Radical Clergy and Jihadists who refuse to life in the 14th century let alone the 21st. Coupled by the fact the Pakistan is a nuclear armed nation.

And as the cherry on the top of the cake, A American Government too weak and stupid to handle anything right and whose reputation is worthless due to its own arrogance and obstenance.

O boy, what a list of choices we got.
November 6th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
Well, first of all, we know very well that Pakistan has been a , if not the, major source of the islamist terrorism we are facing. Certainly, we have had our home-grown terrorists trawled and trained in their Madrassas. The President has been between a rock and a hard place for a long time, trying to maintain stability. It is surely not his hunger for power that motivates him, but a soldier's responsibility to the future of his country. I feel that the longer the Army is able to hold the line the better. We need time - not another Iran with a great big nuke. Big -up The President, I say.

Bhutto is busily playing the opportunist, The President is our best bet.
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November 7th, 2007  
Ted
 
 
Wasn't Musharraf just supposed to let go of his military power and "just" become the president. And by declaring the state of emergency he tries to cling on to this. In my opinion he should be pressed into relinquishing his military powers. If this still resolves the problem.. I don't know.
November 7th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
In my opinion - if Musharraf goes - Pakistan goes. Islamist chaos will reign, we've seen all this before. He stabilises Pakistan or over it goes.
November 7th, 2007  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
In my opinion - if Musharraf goes - Pakistan goes. Islamist chaos will reign, we've seen all this before. He stabilises Pakistan or over it goes.
But he isn't stabilizing Pakistan, the fact he is in power is DEstablizing the country. The worst that could happen is that he is overthrown or killed by the Jihadists. That scenario is looking increasingly likely as time goes on. The military is go angry with Musharaf some of the lower ranks are actually joining the terrorists.

Bhutto isn't a great choice, in fact in a ideal world she would be in jail for embezzlement. But she is pro-west and anti-fundamentalist and unlike Musharaff she is popular within the country. That should stablize the country at least in the short term. The question is can she stabilize the country in the long term without being assassinated.
November 7th, 2007  
A Can of Man
 
 
What the hell is anyone going to do about that nuke??
November 7th, 2007  
Del Boy
 
mmarsh - I would be pleased if you were proved right in your take on this.
I'd like to buy your version of Bhutto but can she cut the mustard . Does Pakistan need military strength of mind at the moment.? If so, will a replacement do better that Musharraf? Can a lid be kept on this one? Can Pakistan be stopped from becoming a terrorist state?

Who can save Pakistan and the nuke?

And if not HIM, WHO? Would Bhutto + army do the job?

Remember The Alamo! No, that's not it.
Ah, yes - remember Iran and the Peacock throne.
November 7th, 2007  
A Can of Man
 
 
Screw that. Just put in another dictator.
November 7th, 2007  
pixiedustboo
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Screw that. Just put in another dictator.
I'll do it if I get to wear a crown.
 


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