You are right on this account for the full 100%! And yes, this could be a stand, which is taken out of the absolute desire to avoid war. I see Chamberlain more as a tragic figure in our history then as some lacky of the nazi's. He was duped while trying to do the "right" thing: the prevention of total war.Those who try and accomadate evil in order to avoid war are appeasers.
Ted said:Pacifism is also about the usage of violence. It is perfectly normal to use violence as a means to protect yourself. The big difference is that "they" don't believe they have to kill anybody that opposes them. Anybody who has seen war from close by will do anything not to see this again. (Just let some SOB enter my home with murder in their heart and see how d*mn fast I empty his shoes). This is a solid ground for starting your pacifist career. (I will NEVER be a pacifist ... PERIOD).
You are right on this account for the full 100%! And yes, this could be a stand, which is taken out of the absolute desire to avoid war. I see Chamberlain more as a tragic figure in our history then as some lacky of the nazi's. He was duped while trying to do the "right" thing: the prevention of total war.
Ted said:Well put Marinerhodes... and to make matters worse: sometimes the Hawks are right and sometimes the Doves. That is why I am such a fan of pragmatism. Every situation needs it's own analysis. Unfortunatly not everybody wants to wait for the proper analysis and rush into trouble: sometimes justified and sometimes not.
Marinerhodes said:On the other hand if a guy slaps me in the face - realistically or metaphorically speaking - then I am all about kicking his butt regardless of the reason(s).
Missileer said:Great post, from both of you. If you're not willing to fight evil, then there is no place in this world for you to hide.
Have you ever spent time in a war zone as a civilian whose family, friends and possessions are being blown away? It is from those kind of environments that pacifist movements can arise, like they did after WW2 in Germany and Japan (with a little propaganda and manipulation from the allies of course).Chief Bones said:Time spent in a war zone has in no way moderated my 'hawkish' feelings.
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