outbreak of WWI - Page 2




 
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July 29th, 2014  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Remington 1858
Well, perhaps you see what I meant. It wasn't so simple that the blame for WWI can all be placed on Germany's doorstep. In those days mobilization meant declaration of war. The machinery of mobilization was so ponderous that when a nation began the process the neighboring countries felt obliged to trigger their process as well or be caught wrong footed. Emperor Franz Josef was determined to smash Serbia. He wanted Germany's support before he did so. The German's never thought it would go beyond a small scale punitive expedition, and gave a go-ahead. Germany completely underestimated the repercussions of an attack on Serbia. However, the responsibility for WWII, in Europe anyway, belongs to Germany alone and to one man in particular, Adolph Hitler.
This is a traditional but flawed POV.
July 29th, 2014  
lljadw
 
Mobilisation did not meant war .

There had been several mobilisations before WWI,without resulting in war .

1914:
AH mobilised against Serbia,and Russia did nothing : no rupture of diplomatic relations, no ultimatum,no DOW.


Russia mobilised against AH : no reaction of AH,neither from Germany .

France mobilised 45 AC on the border with Germany, no German reaction.

Russia mobilised 9 AC on the border with Germany : immediately a German ultimatum,followed by a DOW.

And,when Germany mobilised , no one declared war on Germany .
July 29th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
George is on tract. It all started with Austria -Hungry declaring war on Serbia which caused Russia to declare war on Austria - Hungry and a whole set of dominos fell into place setting Germany and Austria-Hungry against Russia, Britain and France. They all held up to the original alliances except Italy who opted out for a bit then changed sides. Later other players such as Turkey and Romania joined the fray.
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July 30th, 2014  
lljadw
 
Russia did NOT declare war on A-H.
July 30th, 2014  
BritinAfrica
 
 
If I remember correctly, Britain only declared war on Germany after the German invasion of neutral Belgium.
July 30th, 2014  
JOC
 
 

Topic: The dog


Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
If I remember correctly, Britain only declared war on Germany after the German invasion of neutral Belgium.
But does the dog have a highest opinion of you Mr. BritinAfrica?
July 30th, 2014  
JOC
 
 

Topic: Actually you are right


Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
Russia did NOT declare war on A-H.
However Russia attacked A-H and Germany, after Germany attacked Belgium - France. The whole thing was related to treaties and alliances that ended up dragging the powers mentioned earlier into the fray.
July 30th, 2014  
lljadw
 
Russia attacked Germany AFTER the German DOW on Russia : there are no indications that without the German DOW, Russia would have attacked Germany .

About AH : it was AH that on 6 august declared war on Russia,and,as far I can remember,there was no fighting between Russia and AH in the period 1/6 august ..
July 30th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
Russia attacked Germany AFTER the German DOW on Russia : there are no indications that without the German DOW, Russia would have attacked Germany .

About AH : it was AH that on 6 august declared war on Russia,and,as far I can remember,there was no fighting between Russia and AH in the period 1/6 august ..
DOW means what? Who knows. It's rather ridiculous, how the whole thing started. I basically think Germany was armed to the teeth and just waiting for a chance to use it's muscles. A-H would have been better off if the war never occurred. Later as you mentioned Russia gave them a severe defeat until Germany sent in reinforcements. I think they even had trouble with Serbia without German Aid, the same on the Italian front. Actually the Italians fought bravely in WW1, although they suffered from poor leadership. In the A-H army orders had to be issued in 16 different languages.
July 30th, 2014  
lljadw
 
DOW = declaration of war
 


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