Italian Guy
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NYS said:No doubt France's failure to integrate its immigrant Muslim community
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mmarsh said:Since most of these people arrivied 20-30 years or so ago I say its normal. It took America almost 200 years to intergrate in Black community and its still not finished. Clearly if the editors of the NY Sun ever left their snobby, posh, offices on Chambers Street and visited Chinatown (a 10 min walk) without a Cantonese interpreter they would see that intergration of an ethnic group takes much longer than a decade or two. And most Chinese have been in the US much longer than the Africans in France. Can anyone name a large ethnic group that was intergrated in less than 25 years? Its a stupid claim.
Well what I'm getting from the news is that most of these rioters in France are actually third generation French. Born and raised in France by parents who were born and raised in France. Isn't that the failure of integration?
NYS said:It turns out that France's Muslim community lives in areas rampant with crime, poverty, and unemployment, much the fault of France's prized welfare system
You say
mmarsh said:What a crock! Compare crime rates, poverty in the Muslim Areas against those poor areas in the US (like South-Central LA). The US is much higher, right?
I don't know, is it? And even if it is, does it somehow mean the French model has been successful?
NYS said:It's a barely kept secret that Mr. Chirac led the opposition to the Iraq war out of fear of how his Muslim population would react
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mmarsh said:Italian Guy, I thought France was in it for the oil...
Me quoting an article doesn't mean I wrote it nor do I fully agree with it. I believe France opposed the war because of its oil business with Saddam. You say and your hated NYS says it was because of fear. At best, it was for both. Not too encouraging, is it?
And about your last comment, I don't see any contradiction in the article conclusion.