Originally Posted by Capt Frogman

But Hawky is correct about Delta and Rangers, and British SF units.

Anyway, as you were.

No he has not.
SAS and SBS requires a minimum of 18 months of service.

Originally Posted by Tankboy

Maybe that is the problem.
Some countries might not have the right people, in their Special Forces.
They are special for a reason.

If you're referring to French SF,then you don´t know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by 42RM

No he has not.
SAS and SBS requires a minimum of 18 months of service.

Indeed.

He said they need previous experience, which for British SF, Delta and Rangers is correct.

I disregarded the numbers stated as they were irrelevant.

Originally Posted by NP8901

If you're referring to French SF,then you don´t know what you're talking about.

He wasn't. Although the French commando's require 9 months of prior service (iirc?) before undergoing selection?

Originally Posted by 42RM

What do you mean
Having extensive experience as a combat soldier is not always an advantage if you want to go SF.

Why would that be so.

I believe what 42 is getting at is that I was incorrect. And I was incorrect, I didn't account for UKSF (R), United Kingdom Special Forces Reserve, do not require any military experience, as I believe a civvie can join their ranks. I do not know whether the United States Special Operations Command, i.e: Delta Force, SEALs, US Army Rangers, etc have any "Reserve" units. Again, I could be wrong - feel free to correct me.

Anyway, to the Original Poster: Now that you've heard the views of the community and had some time to think over what we've said. Have you had any more thoughts on your Special Forces ambitions?

Originally Posted by hawky94

I believe what 42 is getting at is that I was incorrect. And I was incorrect, I didn't account for UKSF (R), United Kingdom Special Forces Reserve, do not require any military experience, as I believe a civvie can join their ranks. I do not know whether the United States Special Operations Command, i.e: Delta Force, SEALs, US Army Rangers, etc have any "Reserve" units. Again, I could be wrong - feel free to correct me.

Male civilians aged between 18 and 32 can join a UKSF(R) unit. (Or up to the age of 34 if you have military experience).

If my memory serves me correctly, US Army Special Operations Forces (ARSOF) units do have a civilian element.

Originally Posted by Tankboy

Why would that be so.

Because you have learned a lot of bad habits which is not desirable in an SF environment. It is easier to mold raw material. Military skills can be learned - it is the appropriate brain they look for.

Originally Posted by hawky94

I believe what 42 is getting at is that I was incorrect. And I was incorrect, I didn't account for UKSF (R), United Kingdom Special Forces Reserve, do not require any military experience, as I believe a civvie can join their ranks. I do not know whether the United States Special Operations Command, i.e: Delta Force, SEALs, US Army Rangers, etc have any "Reserve" units. Again, I could be wrong - feel free to correct me.

Anyway, to the Original Poster: Now that you've heard the views of the community and had some time to think over what we've said. Have you had any more thoughts on your Special Forces ambitions?

Try to read your post again. You admit several times that you are not sure that what you say is correct. What Froggy is trying to say is that none of you have the knowledge needed to guide this young man with regard to SF. Should we not let those who know with 100% certainty answer. What the rest of us think we know is insignificant. Fact above all.

I'm not disagreeing with you in that respect.
However, the main SF that I know of, take from within the services.
Even the RAF!.
And why wouldn't they.

Originally Posted by 42RM

Because you have learned a lot of bad habits which is not desirable in an SF environment. It is easier to mold raw material. Military skills can be learned - it is the appropriate brain they look for.

Very valid points.

British SF units will only look at those with previous military experience and they aren't in anyway disadvantaged, are they? One might say they are some of the truly elite units in the world.

Originally Posted by 42RM

What Froggy is trying to say is that none of you have the knowledge needed to guide this young man with regard to SF. Should we not let those who know with 100% certainty answer. What the rest of us think we know is insignificant. Fact above all.

No one is denying Froggy's knowledge. To do so would be foolish and disrespectful.

However, there are a number of other members on this forum with many years of first hand experience and knowledge.