Oh boy, next time they have a natural disaster....

Rabs

Rabs

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Next time they have a earthquake they can rot.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1767079,000500020000.htm

oney sent to Pakistan for quake rehabilitation was used to fund the Heathrow bomb attack plot that was foiled by British authorities, says an investigation by a leading Pakistani daily.According to the Daily Times, the Muslim Charity of UK remitted a huge amount of money to three individuals in three different bank accounts in Mirpur, Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) in December 2005 as earthquake relief.
But the money in the three accounts in Saudi Pak Bank, Standard Chartered and Habib Bank Ltd was solely for the purpose of financing the foiled bomb plot, the paper said.
According to the report, two of the recipients are British citizens of Kashmir origin while the third is an Islamabad-based builder, also of Kashmir origin.
Officials said that all three have been arrested, but it is still not known whether the three had any links to militant organisations such as the Al-Qaeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).
An official said that UK National Terrorist Financial Investigation Unit authorities asked them to carry out 'discreet enquiries' about large sums of money being transferred by charities to accounts in Pakistan.
Following the tip off, the three were arrested. Interrogation of the suspects revealed some key elements of the aircraft bombing plan. It was then that Pakistani officials informed British authorities about the plan and the terror attempt was successfully foiled, said an official.
"Had we been even slightly complacent, the perpetrators of this plot might have been able to carry out their operations without little or no problem in the UK," the paper quoted a senior government official, privy to the inquiry, as saying.
The official said NTFIU had told them that a huge amount of money had been transferred from Britain to PoK for quake relief efforts two months after the quake.
"Neither the amount nor the purpose for which money was sent caused any concern in the British investigation unit. What raised alarm among British sleuths specialising in finances was the fact that the entire money was remitted to three individuals, not to any organisation or organisations involved in the relief work," he said.
"The entire transaction was in Pound Sterling. It was a huge amount. Had it not gone into the accounts of individuals, nobody would have been bothered," he added.
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Lovely. Isn't it nice to know that when you try to help and show goodwill you get stabbed in the back?

Let's let everyone take an isolationist stand and tell the rest of the world to go get screwed. Then we will see who comes out on top.

I guarantee that if many of the countries stopped a majority of their imports and exports that life would get hard for those countries that depend chiefly on the import/export monies.
 
Wow hold on

It was just Indian propoganda as expected

http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/16/top2.htm

atleast i am happy that my donation would have saved a childs life.

and as far as isolating those countries . i think u forgot where we get our oil from. Isolating almost a third of mankind wont be that easy :confused:
American exports to those countries are much much more than imports from these countries.

lets keep to the facts and not get on the band wagon:love:
 
flanker said:
It was just Indian propoganda as expected

http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/16/top2.htm

atleast i am happy that my donation would have saved a childs life.

and as far as isolating those countries . i think u forgot where we get our oil from. Isolating almost a third of mankind wont be that easy :confused:
American exports to those countries are much much more than imports from these countries.

lets keep to the facts and not get on the band wagon:love:
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I think you forgot where we get our oil from....

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...ons/company_level_imports/current/import.html

I also think you forgot where most countries get their refined fuels from
 
What is your point?

A third of crude oil and a quarter of refined oil suppliers to USA are muslim countries.
 
flanker said:
What is your point?

A third of crude oil and a quarter of refined oil suppliers to USA are muslim countries.
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My point is the majority of refinement is done in western countries...

Now let's also realize that that is starting to shift because of environmental laws in western countries halting the construction of new refineries...Needless to say that the technology the Middle Eastern oil companies use is primarly from western oil companies....

Basically your lets stick to the facts statement is a good one that you should follow....

BTW only 4 of the top 15 Oil exporting countries to the USA are from the Middle East....

So let's stick to the facts and not jump on the bandwagons shall we....
 
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As i said earlier a THIRD of our crude oil comes from muslim countries. dosent matter if they make up 1 out of 15 or 14 out of 15.

New laws might change the situation in the future but that will take a long time, but until than like it or not we are dependant on their oil.

We need them as much as they need us , so i am afraid embargo will not work.
 
flanker said:
As i said earlier a THIRD of our crude oil comes from muslim countries. dosent matter if they make up 1 out of 15 or 14 out of 15.

New laws might change the situation in the future but that will take a long time, but until than like it or not we are dependant on their oil.

We need them as much as they need us , so i am afraid embargo will not work.
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Again where do you get this figure of a THIRD from?????

Things will change a lot especially in the near future with the Exxon/Mobile and BP offshore oil rigs off of the Russian Siberia....
The expansion in the Gulf of Mexico and so on...

Check out the daily production of Crude Oil in the world....
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2176.html
 
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Yes out of the top "15" Muslim nations import 3947k barrels per day while non-muslims import 6074k barrels per day...However this is only the top 15... And the near future is a reality they are building the rigs now...

I think you need to do some more research, and just look at the projections for BP and the Gulf of Mexico....

Now in the whole world 80 million bbl/day are produced from non-muslim countries while 20 million bbl/day are produced by muslim countries (quick rushed calcs hence the rounding)...So roughly only a 1/4 of the worlds oil is produced by muslim nations...Again I rushed these calcs since I am on my lunch break...
Numbers Used
List of Muslim Countries

If you dont mind me asking what is your degree in?
 
My friend you should make better use of your lunch breaks. :)

And here's my calculation

June 2006 figures

CANADA 1,799
MEXICO 1,734
SAUDI ARABIA 1,549
VENEZUELA 1,008
NIGERIA 996
IRAQ 617
ANGOLA 525
ALGERIA 474
ECUADOR 282
RUSSIA 216
COLOMBIA 211
KUWAIT 201
UNITED KINGDOM 185
EQUATORIAL GUINEA 114
LIBYA 110
Total 10,021

Muslim countries
SAUDI ARABIA 1,549
IRAQ 617
ALGERIA 474
KUWAIT 201
LIBYA 110
Total from muslim countri 2,951

Percentage 29.45 i.e Roughly 30 %


Can i point out, this data is from your source :jump:

Anyways we are going a bit off track . The main point was that the charities have been cleared of any wrong doings.
 
flanker said:
My friend you should make better use of your lunch breaks. :)

And here's my calculation

June 2006 figures

CANADA 1,799
MEXICO 1,734
SAUDI ARABIA 1,549
VENEZUELA 1,008
NIGERIA 996
IRAQ 617
ANGOLA 525
ALGERIA 474
ECUADOR 282
RUSSIA 216
COLOMBIA 211
KUWAIT 201
UNITED KINGDOM 185
EQUATORIAL GUINEA 114
LIBYA 110
Total 10,021

Muslim countries
SAUDI ARABIA 1,549
IRAQ 617
ALGERIA 474
KUWAIT 201
LIBYA 110
Total from muslim countri 2,951

Percentage 29.45 i.e Roughly 30 %


Can i point out, this data is from your source :jump:

Anyways we are going a bit off track . The main point was that the charities have been cleared of any wrong doings.
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You ignored the first part of my post where I did this and agreed with you that from the TOP 15 it was roughly a 3rd....

Finally I took it further and used numbers calculating the ENTIRE WORLD daily production of crude oil...

But you ignored all of this reposted what I already did and well your post was pointless....

You also forgot a few muslim countries :)
 
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That shale oil in utah isn't a very good alternative since it's expensive to convert to regular crude. Maybe in a decade they'll do something serious in that region, but the reason we're still importing oil from foreign countries it because it's cheaper than to start our production in shale. When you live in a free market economy, the bottom line is money.
 
flanker and Donkey, What an interesting argue! Here,another point I want to address is that the US's sticking at Middle-East is not just for its own oil. We know, many other big countries import the area's oil, such as China,its 50% import oil is from the area. Struggling to get more profits and control in Middel-east means the more strategic advatage for other countries at the same time.
Middle-East's oil is very sencitive for the US and also other countries. It can be understood easily when we see how drastical the reponse of the whole word is as OPEC discuss the oil price every time.
 
WarMachine said:
That shale oil in utah isn't a very good alternative since it's expensive to convert to regular crude. Maybe in a decade they'll do something serious in that region, but the reason we're still importing oil from foreign countries it because it's cheaper than to start our production in shale. When you live in a free market economy, the bottom line is money.
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You didn’t read the article or do any research of your own...For if you did you would find that with today’s prices of crude oil and the advancement in technology it makes it a viable alternative...

The reason we are still importing is kind of complex but I will give you an analogy with a video game...

Take an RTS like command and conquer, the way you win that game is setting up your base and protecting your resources with in your base while you go out and extract everyone else’s resources. The when they are all gone you start using yours….

:pirate:
 
I like to use another analogy which is the way you play civilization 4. You first start off with your territorial supplies of resources and then you expand, but you're not allowed to build on any resource outside of you territory. Once you have the proper technology you can start trading for it and then more technology will come along and some resources are obsolete.

So right now we don't have the technology that will make crude from foreign countries obsolete or even less necessary. You put that on top of the fact that barrel prices are always dropping or rising and you have a prospective market that's always a little shaky. If it was confirmed that 90 dollars a barrel would be in the forecast for years, then that shale would be mined. But since crude prices are dropping lately, people don't see the point of investing in those shale production since that could depress the cost of oil and the producers would end up not making a profit and close down.

That's why i said maybe in ten years when oil probably becomes more expensive and domestic resources are a safe bet. Montana was saying the same thing about how they had a lot of coal to convert into oil, but right now only alberta in canada is doing that.
 
Did you or do you read anything related to this, I say this because it doesnt seem like you have.

The oil market is such a joke I wish I had some of my friends jobs in the oil industry man do they make a boat load....fockers :)
 
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