The oft Forgotten Attrocities of the Japanese

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godofthunder9010

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There is far too little attention paid to the Sino-Japanese front of World War II. Here is a response I got from another forum with some good information about things. I'm still working on readin through it all, but I thought I'd share the links. The Japanese were terrible ... ant they have never appologized nor admitting to anything if they could help it.

Nanjing(Nanking) Massacre

www.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/NanjingMassacre/NM.html
www.cnd.org/njmassacre


Battle of Changsha (3 times in different years,mistaken by concluding all happen in 1943)

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Battle-of-Changsha-(1942)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changsha


Comfort Women project


www.cmht.com/casewatch/cases/cwcomfort2.htm
http://research.unc.edu/endeavors/win97/comfortl.html

China-Japan war 1937-1945


http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/sino-japanese.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino_Japanese_War_(1937-1945)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino_Japanese_War_(1937-1945)#Battles (CHECK OUT MAJOR FIGURES PART)
http://www.world-war-2.info/battles/bt_19.php (VERY GOOD SUMMURY)


Japanese deny over their War Crimes act in WW II (MUST PAY FULL ATTENTION!)

http://jbe.la.psu.edu/textbooks/MJ/war_views.htm
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Some of the highpoints of Comfort Women I find particularly distessing: "While serving as a "comfort woman" Ms. Chong Ok Sun witnessed the Japanese torture a Korean girl who asked why they were forced to service up to forty men a day. A Japanese commander ordered her to be beaten with a sword while the other "comfort women" watched. The soldiers stripped the girl, tied her arms and legs, and rolled her over a board covered in nails "until the nails were covered with blood and pieces of her flesh." She was then decapitated. One Japanese officer told the witnesses that "it's easy to kill you all, easier than killing dogs" and suggested that the flesh of the dead girl would be boiled and the survivors forced to eat it."

I wonder at times why so many are so disinteresting in this particular topic. Is it water under the bridge? Forgiven and forgotten? I know that China and Korea are both quite upset by the long-standing Japanese refusal to acknowledge that they ever committed any crimes against their peoples. Germany probably outdid Japan ... ONLY BARELY ... but they have publicly appologized for what happened. Am I just failing to understand Oriental Culture in thinking there should be reckoning? The most distressing thing is that it seems as though most people don't seem to care at all about any of it. Kinda seems unequal.
 
I am...

Going to read it. I studied the atrocities when I attended school in China. Many western countries are still unknown to what Japanese had done during that era.

That is why you see Sino-Japanese relationship is only bound by trading. Many asian countries are still upset about the Japnaese government attitude and its attempt to rewrite the WWII history in their history text books.

I was shocked that Japan was not punished and criticized harshly compairing to the Nazi Germany. Isn't Gernmany still paying war debts now, I am wondering.

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think this topic should be posted on main post area "Military related Issues". Just to let people to read up, bro.

mod edit:In the future, do not post back to back. It's against the rules
 
Well, the Japanese not apologizing is a current issue, but the rest of it is all Military History, so I felt this was the most appropriate place.
 
This the right place for it, as it is Military history. Need to research this more before I post a comment on it.
 
what the japs did will NEVER be forgotten down under!
and i hope they dont ever have any sizable millitary forces again.
 
Forgot to thanks mr.Lighting showing me this site.

From the public reaction on this thread, I found that not many of them giving much atention. Somehow I feel a little sad for this.

1-2 days ago the Japanese once again worship the Yasukuni War Shrine (largest worshiping group officially ever in the history. Koizumi + 79 Politicians). And Koizumi,with a very provoking sound, said that the JAPANESE HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THEIR WAY TO RESPECT THE OLD SERVING HEROES.

The above case already show us that. This things have been Forgotten, or I should say, not even given a proper view and attention by many, including the Asians (No governemnt officially against them, for Japanese throw so much many to help their economy,more ever,the younger generations rufuse to make any remembrance over it) and the Europeans (who generally never give a single damn about this. Frence,USA support to let Japan be a permanent member is a very good prove to it).

I am very angry of what the Japanese did nowadays,which never even given a good pressure like what German were given. I really hope many of u know what did happened in the past, more cruel than Nazi generally. This is what I can do as I am alone to do so.
 
I was under the impression that the Japanese had apologized and pay reparations (in the form of economic aid) to this day. I don’t know, maybe they didn’t lament enough about it to suit your taste, but you must realize that this a culture shock. We don’t like to talk about our atrocities either, and in some instances, ours were just as bad if not worse than the Japanese. For instance, the infamous Bataan Death March was horrific indeed, but does this not mirror the Trail of Tears? The forced relocation of the Indians left few survivors because many of those that didn’t perish on the march died due to the climate change of their new home. Just like our POWS in Bataan, the Indians that were too weak to march were killed outright.

What the Japanese did was horrible and it needs to be remembered, but what I see in this thread is a dog pile attack on the Japanese. When will all you haters be properly vindicated?
 
Reparations? None that I know of. No, Japan has some major denial issues. They won't admit to anything unless confronted with irrefutable facts and even then they go out of their way to make sure that the Japanese public is not aware of anything. There are SOME Japanese who have been some of the foremost in bringing their attrocities to light, but these are the rare exceptions to the rule among the Japanese people.

If anyone can verify what Reparations the Japanese have done (if any), it would be a useful addition. To my knowledge, you had several Nuremburg style executions of a small handful of Japanese commanders and that was about the extent of it. That and the Constitutional clause limiting Japan from developing offensive military capabilities.
 
godofthunder9010 said:
Reparations? None that I know of. No, Japan has some major denial issues.
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A simple Google search yields this:

http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/e/faq/faq1.html

Japan in recent years has donated millions in food aid to North Korea, even though the PRK pays them back by kidnapping their citizens, threatening nuclear attacks, and actually launching a dummy missile right over Japan.

Some people in this forum might color Japan as a cold hearted and brooding threat to the rest of the world. I say that they are way too pacifist with the hostility in their area.
 
Like I said, I didn't know about that. Thank you for the info. I hadn't turned anything up on it. Their warcrimes were committed against lots of other nations as well. It would be interesting to know what they do for the other countries. Also, Japan is guilty of omitting warcrimes from the history they teach to their children and students. And they flat out ignore former "comfort women", victims of officially organized mass-rape by the Japanese military. That is one instance that I know for sure that Japan has never attempted to make any reparations and I know there are many others.
 
i also think a factor in why this is so often overlooked is japan got nuked twice, I'm not saying it makes up for anything, but it's still bad it's a sore situation the whole way around.
 
In Britain, the facts about the Japanese and their atrocities in WW2 are quite well known, and the fact that they have never really apologized is a sore point with many.
But the fact that interests me, is that during the Russo-Japanese war of 1905 the Japanese treatment of Russian prisoners impressed neutral observers. It appears that the Japanese treated them in a totally correct and humane fashion.
So what changed :?
 
The Japanese Canadians were treated very unfairly during WWII. They were forced to move to the interior of BC, in work camps, and have their businesses shut down, and all their belongings sold for dirt cheap. Even the ones that had never even been to Japan and were born in Canada.
 
Trevor said:
The Japanese Canadians were treated very unfairly during WWII. They were forced to move to the interior of BC, in work camps, and have their businesses shut down, and all their belongings sold for dirt cheap. Even the ones that had never even been to Japan and were born in Canada.
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The United States did the same thing to their Japanese citizens. Quite silly really. They were US citizens. They were no more suspect than the giant mass of German immigrants, yet they were singled out because they were of the Oriental ethnicity that we were fighting. True its not the Baatan Death March, but its a crime on the part of the United States.
 
In britian a couple of years back the Queen was meeting with the Emperor of Japan, and the civilians watching thier had all been given Japanese flags but as the Limo with the Emperor and Queen in it came down the Rode all of the old guard turned thier backs to the emperor, basicly saying they hav not forgivin Japan. As of now I do not believe Japan has paid money for Pearl Harbor or any of the other massive attacks on December 6. However Japan is Currently Under the 'Pacifist' Military Description , which is something that can not realy be denied, especialy when you compare thier military with switzerland it becomes clear they would have to take decades to get a fighting military up. Also the Japs were realy big on Using Bio and Chemical weapons in ww2
 
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This is where u find Japanese r cunning and smart.

When they give those econimic aids to the countries. And nowadays most of the Asian governments shut their mouth up in talking about the WW II issues. This give a very good chance to let Japanese deny everything and live in that way without any pressure.

I am a Malaysian,who also have the aid from Japanese government. So do some diplomatical policies like Technology-transfer (Malaysia give money,japan give techonology). But if u know it thoroughly,what Japanese earn r more than what they aid to The Asia region. Money,Industrial employees, entertainment products, cars like toyota,honda.

U see,Japanese give all this aid in ECONOMIC FORM. Don't u think they should change this into "Apology" form?why would they claim as an ecnomomic form?becoz they wanna become Hero of Asia,where they thought they did in WW II,TO HELP THE ASIA GET OUT FROM THE WESTERN IMPERIALISM!(WHAT A GREAT LIE!).

Japanese give China aid 3 Billions yen a year for the last 30 years. And now Koizumi decided to minus this numbers. And when u look through the real history. China lost the total of 600 BILLIONS US DOLLERS IN WWII.

Relating to the "admitting apologize". Japanese never did. The Japanese even wrote books saying that Nanjing Massacre was make up,a lie. And when the Comfort women victims from Philiphines,Korean,Taiwan and China went to Japan to suw the Japanese government in order to get the loses pay. Japanese court handled it by ending the case in 45 SECONDS!wihout listening a single word from the victims.

What I want to tell is. Japanese r smart and cunning and they never did apologize to us. Japanese plan have gone succesful,the Asian government shut up. Except for South Korea and China government ,which r the 2 most rotued country by the Japanese hand in WW II, still remaining to fight for truth.

Other Asia region did made some champaign to show their feeling over this. But none of those were sponsored or supported by the local government, but by they civilians theirselves.

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To mr.Chochobo

Japanese did planned to use BioChem weapon. The prove is, Japanese cuahgt the China civilians in WW II and tested BioChemical reaction experiment on them.

The prove --1. recently,China discover the BoiChemical weapon left by Japanese in WW II in Chi Chi Ha Er (The Chinese pronounciation goes like that). I believe many of u know that,this happened last year and the worldwide knew it. The weapon even made the local civilians got sickness nowadays. But when they apply for pay loses from Japanese.The Japanese denied it.

2. The biochemical troops -- 731 troops of Japanese. U may check this "731 troops Japanese world war II" in the Yahoo search engine and more. This prove that how the Japanese handle the battle with Chinese. Putting all the Biochemical gases and virus and polluted the China local environment in order to kill the Chinese resistance.
 
Well, what can I say? You seem to know more than me about the Japanese atrocities, and we will have to keep our eye on them if they are as cold-hearted and plotting as you say they are. Personally, I feel that the evil Japanese who are willfully lying about the atrocities are in the minority, and the good people of Japan (I hope) find it hard to believe because it is too horrible to imagine humans doing such a thing. Such ignorance is unfortunate because if we don’t learn from our mistakes, we are subject to repeat them.

Ezechiel said:
U see,Japanese give all this aid in ECONOMIC FORM. Don't u think they should change this into "Apology" form?why would they claim as an ecnomomic form?becoz they wanna become Hero of Asia,where they thought they did in WW II,TO HELP THE ASIA GET OUT FROM THE WESTERN IMPERIALISM!(WHAT A GREAT LIE!).
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Yes, I think there should be a formal apology, and I am shocked that there wasn’t one already. On western imperialism, I guess the xenophobic Japanese were afraid that we would "pervert" eastern culture. Oops almost forgot natural resources!

Ezechiel said:
Japanese did planned to use BioChem weapon. The prove is, Japanese cuahgt the China civilians in WW II and tested BioChemical reaction experiment on them.

The prove --1. recently,China discover the BoiChemical weapon left by Japanese in WW II in Chi Chi Ha Er (The Chinese pronounciation goes like that). I believe many of u know that,this happened last year and the worldwide knew it. The weapon even made the local civilians got sickness nowadays. But when they apply for pay loses from Japanese.The Japanese denied it.

2. The biochemical troops -- 731 troops of Japanese. U may check this "731 troops Japanese world war II" in the Yahoo search engine and more. This prove that how the Japanese handle the battle with Chinese. Putting all the Biochemical gases and virus and polluted the China local environment in order to kill the Chinese resistance.
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Yeah, I think they were also the first to culture botulism and use it as a BioChem weapon. We gave asylum to several of the scientist of unit 731 in exchange for their ill-gotten scientific data. We also had a BioChem team, but we betrayed our own men by using it on U.S. soldiers who volunteered to try different “medicines.” Would a “medicine” literally cause a man’s skin to peel off before he coughs up his lungs!? That is one of our characteristics, and I think you will find that, to this day, the U.S. gov. will f**k over its own people before it will an enemy. But I don’t want to go off on that tangent because it always pisses me off.
 
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