OCTOBER 1973 WAR (YUM KIPPUR)- AN EGYPTIAN VICTORY




 
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May 8th, 2009  
Sayed Zakerya
 
 

Topic: OCTOBER 1973 WAR (YUM KIPPUR)- AN EGYPTIAN VICTORY


Israelies like to introduce this war as an Israeli triumph. This is completely opposite to this war events. Israelis are employing their global biased media m/c to turn its disaster in this War into victory.
The YK war should be evaluated based on the following well-known Clausewitz' concepts
- War must never be seen as a purpose to itself, but as a means of physically forcing one's will on an opponent ("war is the continuation of politics through other means").

In addtion to the the above Clausewitz has classified the War objectives into two main categories:-
A- war to achieve limited aims
B- war to "disarm” the enemy: “to render [him] politically helpless or militarily impotent."

Knowing the Superiority of IDF (especially) in Air & armoured forces) which was planned & executed by the unlimited support of US to israel, Egypt selected "A" war class.

The Basic Egyptian army war mission was :-
1-Storming Suez Canal east Bank & demolishing IDF fortifications line ( Bar-leve Line]
2- Peneteration of 5 to 6 miles deep in Sinai under the cover of the Egyptian anti Air missiles umbrella.
3- Sparking off an international crisis into which both USSR & US would be drawn. The Egyptian leadership hoped that the two superpowers would then force Israel into concessions aaceptable to the Arabs.
4-If superpowers failed to intervene or were unable to force Israel to make the demanded concessions, The arabs were to revert to "meat grinder" tactics againest thr stretched IDF forces & continue fighting for weeks or months againest the Exhausted IDF troops & force Israel to accept the Arab terms.

The first 3 targets were fulfilled in the period between 6 october 1973 & 18th Jan 1974. There was no need for step 4.
This is the Egyptian victory.



IDF officer surrenders to an Egyptian officer on Canal shores.
May 8th, 2009  
viewer
 
 
i think peace won in the end. but if it makes you feel better: Egypt won ok?
May 8th, 2009  
rock45
 
Hi Sayed Zakerya
Interesting way of leaving out certain facts about this war. I'm pretty sure this subject has been covered here.

Quick turning point
Once Egypt's army move out from under the SAM umbrella Egypt basically through away any chance of winning and played into the strength of Israel which was their Air Force. Egypt's high command or maybe government I don't know lost the war right at this point and through away any gains made in the opening advances. It was a bad tactical decision which lead to a number of different battle field failures in the end including letting a fast moving Israeli force drive into Egypt. Only politically powers stopped them you can Google this information from many non Israeli sources.
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May 8th, 2009  
Sayed Zakerya
 
 
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Once Egypt's army move out from under the SAM umbrella Egypt basically through away any chance of winning and played into the strength of Israel which was their Air Force. Egypt's high command or maybe government I don't know lost the war right at this point and through away any gains made in the opening advances. It was a bad tactical decision which lead to a number of different battle field failures in the end including letting a fast moving Israeli force drive into Egypt.
What a brief miss leading summary. Typical Israeli propaganda. Your statement ignores the following:-
1- IDF failed to push the 2nd army from its new positions on Canal east shore to its 5th of Oct lines in the west.
2- IDF failed to push the 3rd army from its new positions on Canal east shore to its 5th of Oct lines in the west.
3-IDF failed to surround the second army or to capture Ismailia city.
4-IDF failed to occupy Suez city.
5-IDF failed to secure the passage of its logistic supplies from Sinai to its divisions on Canal west shores. Its troops failed to occupy missori or the northern sections of the Chineese firm.

The last War days recorded IDF Adan Division defeat inside Suez city by DIV 19 troops. Adan failed to occupy the city & lost more than 100 killed soldier. In the north Sharon division was defeated by the Egyptian Paratrooper brigades no 150 & 182 who pushed his troops to the south. In the East IDF failed to occupy missori or the northern section of the Chineese battle.
The War final status presented 3 IDF divisions in the west canal bank that are confronted from the north, West & south by Superior Egyptian forces. These divisions link to their logistic bases in the East was in the range of the Medium range Egyptian artillery.
This poor IDF military positions was the reason for their retreet to the east to 35 Kms from the Canal chores in Jan 1974 in response to the First Disengagement agreement. The lack of any political advantage for Israel in this agreement proved their military dispirit status.
The Egyptian limited war targets were achieved. This is best expressed by Trevor N. Dupuy, Elusive Victory: The Arab-Israeli Wars, 1947–1974 (New York: Harper and Row, 1978), 343. He stated
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Thus, if war is the employment of military force in support of political objectives, there can be no doubt that in strategic and political terms the Arab States and particularly Egypt - won the war, even though the military outcome was a stalemate permitting both sides to claim military victory.
May 8th, 2009  
rock45
 
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Sayed Zakerya
What a brief miss leading summary. Typical Israeli propaganda.
I guess you missed this part of my post "Google this information from many non Israeli sources".

No problem have a nice day.
May 9th, 2009  
Partisan
 
 
Okay, I get what you're saying - I need to read up because I'm not too sure of the sequence of events etc, but I do have 1 big question - What about the aftermath?

I'm sure that the Egyptian & Syrian armies did not plan to gut themselves for a a pyrrhic victory, so what was achieved? I know that the Israeli losses were approximately 1/3 of the Arab losses, which given population ratios could make this a victory - but think of the loss of military experience!

I'll try to track down the book, in order to be able to give a more informed opinion, what I've said are just my thoughts, not backed by facts.
May 9th, 2009  
BritinBritain
 
 
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Originally Posted by rock45
Quick turning point
Once Egypt's army move out from under the SAM umbrella Egypt basically through away any chance of winning and played into the strength of Israel which was their Air Force. Egypt's high command or maybe government I don't know lost the war right at this point and through away any gains made in the opening advances. It was a bad tactical decision which lead to a number of different battle field failures in the end including letting a fast moving Israeli force drive into Egypt. Only politically powers stopped them you can Google this information from many non Israeli sources.
That has been my understanding.
May 13th, 2009  
BootStomp
 
 
Your Logic is sounds from that point of view. However, while yes you did accomplish your goals, you lost way more men and in the end it was Israeli compassiona nd not wanting to see the senseless murder of the rest of the 2nd and 3rd army. Be truthful they were surrounded and out numbered in the end. Consider the fact that all of Israel would have become troops, because I do believe in Israel in times of war all men in an certain age range are called to become a defense group, now a days I believe it has been extended to even women.

Egypt is/was strong and they accomplished their goals but didn't put the Israelies into anything, the USA and USSR had both said they would stay out. Though the Egyptain anti air missles where in fact Russian made, just like some supplies the Israelies had where American made. Won no, accomplished goals, sure, but didnt win when basically being forced to surrender. as for your picture, all that shows is one of the many forts that was captured and made to surrender.


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Originally Posted by Sayed Zakerya
Israelies like to introduce this war as an Israeli triumph. This is completely opposite to this war events. Israelis are employing their global biased media m/c to turn its disaster in this War into victory.
The YK war should be evaluated based on the following well-known Clausewitz' concepts
- War must never be seen as a purpose to itself, but as a means of physically forcing one's will on an opponent ("war is the continuation of politics through other means").

In addtion to the the above Clausewitz has classified the War objectives into two main categories:-
A- war to achieve limited aims
B- war to "disarm” the enemy: “to render [him] politically helpless or militarily impotent."

Knowing the Superiority of IDF (especially) in Air & armoured forces) which was planned & executed by the unlimited support of US to israel, Egypt selected "A" war class.

The Basic Egyptian army war mission was :-
1-Storming Suez Canal east Bank & demolishing IDF fortifications line ( Bar-leve Line]
2- Peneteration of 5 to 6 miles deep in Sinai under the cover of the Egyptian anti Air missiles umbrella.
3- Sparking off an international crisis into which both USSR & US would be drawn. The Egyptian leadership hoped that the two superpowers would then force Israel into concessions aaceptable to the Arabs.
4-If superpowers failed to intervene or were unable to force Israel to make the demanded concessions, The arabs were to revert to "meat grinder" tactics againest thr stretched IDF forces & continue fighting for weeks or months againest the Exhausted IDF troops & force Israel to accept the Arab terms.

The first 3 targets were fulfilled in the period between 6 october 1973 & 18th Jan 1974. There was no need for step 4.
This is the Egyptian victory.



IDF officer surrenders to an Egyptian officer on Canal shores.
May 13th, 2009  
LeEnfield
 
 
You may have won a victory but you did not win the war, Egypt was pushed right back and lost a lot of territory which took them years of diplomacy to get back, now if that is a victory I would hate to think what you would class a defeat as.
May 14th, 2009  
SHERMAN
 
 
LeeEnfield, your mixing up history. They did not loose any land in 1973. Well, they did a little but it was back in Egyptian hands within a year.
 


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