Oh yes : Obama supported and still is supporting ISIS :

He invented the Free Syrian Army,of which the leader of ISIS (Abu Athen ) said in 2013 :we have good relations with our brothers in the FSA.

And, from a 2012 report of the DIA :

"If the situation unravels,there is the possibility (sic) of establishing a declared/undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor) and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want,in order to isolate the Syrian regime,which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)."

Previously the document identified the "supporting powers " as "Western countries, Gulf States and Turkey" .

Source : How the US helped ISIS (by David Mizner) .

Originally Posted by lljadw

Oh yes : Obama supported and still is supporting ISIS :

He invented the Free Syrian Army,of which the leader of ISIS (Abu Athen ) said in 2013 :we have good relations with our brothers in the FSA.

The Free Syrian Army is fighting against both Assad and ISIS and as such is being supported by the US with supplies, training and air strikes. It is a collection of ex Syrian military, Muslims, Druze and Christian fighters.

There is no such thing as a Free Syrian Army : it is not free,it is not an army and I doubt that the majority are Syrians :the FSA is a collection of criminal gangs the ideology of which is very close to that of ISIS;there is no unified command (there are 9 groups that claimed to be the leaders),at the origin they were deserters of the Syrian army,later they received money from the US to fight against Assad,which they didn't,,and very soon they joined ISIS and brought with them the weapons and supplies they had received from the US .

Calling these criminals Free,Syrian, Army has as much value as calling the SU a people's democratic republic .


Essentially there is no difference between ISIS and the FSA: they are both criminals and hostile to the West .

If all Muslims are potential terrorists, are all Belgians potential to be like Marc Dutroux? It can be so wrong to demonize a group of people for what a few do. However, if we demonize one group, we might need to demonize all groups, not only religious groups.

This is the usual apples/oranges comparison .

Tens of thousands of people (Muslims/non Muslims ) have been murdered by ISIS IN THE NAME of the Islam in and outside the ME .

The attitude of the Muslim community was /is,indifference, silent approval,joining ISIS.

If the 1.5 billion Muslims had wanted, ISIS would not have lasted a month .

As such the Muslim community is coresponsible for the ISIS atrocities .

We have the right to demand from the Muslim community a clear answer to ISIS :the Muslims must declare war on ISIS and destroy it .

If the Muslims refuse to do it, we have the right to consider them as the accomplices of ISIS and to treat them as such .

After WWII the Germans said : Wir haben es nicht gewuss,but that was not accepted;the Muslims can not say : wir haben es nicht gewusst .

Originally Posted by lljadw

This is the usual apples/oranges comparison .

Tens of thousands of people (Muslims/non Muslims ) have been murdered by ISIS IN THE NAME of the Islam in and outside the ME .

The attitude of the Muslim community was /is,indifference, silent approval,joining ISIS.

If the 1.5 billion Muslims had wanted, ISIS would not have lasted a month .

As such the Muslim community is coresponsible for the ISIS atrocities .

We have the right to demand from the Muslim community a clear answer to ISIS :the Muslims must declare war on ISIS and destroy it .

If the Muslims refuse to do it, we have the right to consider them as the accomplices of ISIS and to treat them as such .

After WWII the Germans said : Wir haben es nicht gewuss,but that was not accepted;the Muslims can not say : wir haben es nicht gewusst .

Naw, rather a comparison between apples and pears.

With your logic, I can hold you accountable for what other Belgians do, Marc Dutroux included. I can even include what other Westerners do and make you accountable for their crimes and atrocities.

Dutroux did not commit his crimes in the name of the Western civilisation .

Originally Posted by lljadw

Dutroux did not commit his crimes in the name of the Western civilisation .

Although, he is a part of the Western civilization, hence he can be included similar as all other atrocities committed by Westerners. If I want I can accuse you for what he did and what all others have done in the past.

Someone who denies the coresponsability of the German people for the Holocaust can be rightly considered as a neo-nazi.

Someone who denies the coresponsability of the Muslim community for the murders of ISIS can be rightly considered as an agent of ISIS .

I had nothing to do with the lynching and ownership of slaves in the South, do you think that because I'm white (maybe) and live in the Southern USA (maybe).. that I'm a member of the KKK simply because I deny having anything to do with that?