Obliterating Islamic State (ISIS) - Page 16




 
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Boots
 
November 25th, 2015  
lljadw
 
The formation of ISIS happened independently from the invasion of Iraq .

And, after 9/11 there was no fear-mongering crap : Bush did his duty as president by invading Iraq.

The mistake was caused by the Liberals (mostly Democrats,but also Pepublicans ) who as usualy were very eager to transform victory in defeat by imposing on the ME democracy made in US, while every one knows that there is no place for such thing in the ME (and also other places).
November 25th, 2015  
lljadw
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I assume this bravado is some sort of compensation syndrome as it appears Belgium has already got scared and gone into hiding, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you don't fight terrorism by allowing them to dictate whether a country can function or not.

If I were you Lljadw I would spend less time here bleating on about "Muslims" and more time out on the streets ditching that balless bunch of politicians you seem to have elected.

It is easy to talk about scare and cowards when one is living on the north/south island far away of any danger .

I live on 50 km from Brussels,and as most people in Belgium,I am surrounded by Muslims north of me ,south of me east of me west of me,at less than 15 km .You are not obliged to be locked up in your house at 5 PM in the winter,hoping that the criminals will not visit you by night .
November 25th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
It is easy to talk about scare and cowards when one is living on the north/south island far away of any danger .

I live on 50 km from Brussels,and as most people in Belgium,I am surrounded by Muslims north of me ,south of me east of me west of me,at less than 15 km .You are not obliged to be locked up in your house at 5 PM in the winter,hoping that the criminals will not visit you by night .
You are right I live thousands of miles away from both the middle east and Europe although right now I am in Seattle preparing to leave for Germany so I suspect I will be close enough but if my government started to limit my movements or freedom to perform my daily functions based on some obscure threats posted by a bunch of lunatics in another country I would do all I could to get rid of that government.

The simple fact is by locking down countries due to a mixture of fear and paranoia is the equivalent of letting ISIS run your country, I honestly do not think you even have the right to an opinion on this matter as you have basically already surrendered.

You want to win this battle, get on with your lives and stop panicking at the sound of fireworks, go outside and be "free" to do the all pointless crap that being in the free world allows us to do. Will terrorists give up no, and yes they will succeed once in a while but then you still have more chance of being run over crossing the road than you do of being the victim of a terrorist attack.

Alternatively stay at home, lock yourself away and pray to what ever deity you can be scared into believing in that the big bad bogey man doesn't find you shaking under the bed before the rest of the world has time to come and rescue you again.
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November 25th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
You are right I live thousands of miles away from both the middle east and Europe although right now I am in Seattle preparing to leave for Germany so I suspect I will be close enough but if my government started to limit my movements or freedom to perform my daily functions based on some obscure threats posted by a bunch of lunatics in another country I would do all I could to get rid of that government.

The simple fact is by locking down countries due to a mixture of fear and paranoia is the equivalent of letting ISIS run your country, I honestly do not think you even have the right to an opinion on this matter as you have basically already surrendered.

You want to win this battle, get on with your lives and stop panicking at the sound of fireworks, go outside and be "free" to do the all pointless crap that being in the free world allows us to do. Will terrorists give up no, and yes they will succeed once in a while but then you still have more chance of being run over crossing the road than you do of being the victim of a terrorist attack.

Alternatively stay at home, lock yourself away and pray to what ever deity you can be scared into believing in that the big bad bogey man doesn't find you shaking under the bed before the rest of the world has time to come and rescue you again.
You do philosophize policy from the safety of your pacific islands. Whether it is the evils of our great nation the USA or a safety alert (not a lockdown) by the Belgium government as it responds to the current treat. Belgium is a free and liberal nation so if it feels threatened it has every right to impose strong security measures as does any member of the European community after recent (and not so recent) events.

They are easy - soft targets for these terrorists and unfortunately many are related to people that have come there under refugee status. How to separate them out from the rest is no easy task. Of course one can’t just sent them all packing, but caution should be exercised on who is allowed in as we view the present situation.
November 26th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
You do philosophize policy from the safety of your pacific islands. Whether it is the evils of our great nation the USA or a safety alert (not a lockdown) by the Belgium government as it responds to the current treat. Belgium is a free and liberal nation so if it feels threatened it has every right to impose strong security measures as does any member of the European community after recent (and not so recent) events.


But to be fair you do the same, I would never be arrogant enough to refer to my country as "a great nation" especially when it is debt up to its eye balls and spending all its borrowed money destabilising large chunks of the world in the name of a political ideology and in reality no better or worse than any other country on earth.
That being said I am enjoying Seattle although I much prefer Oregon (went to uni there) and Arizona (where the in laws live and I lived for 7 years) but I shouldn't talk of things I know nothing of.
November 26th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
But to be fair you do the same, I would never be arrogant enough to refer to my country as "a great nation" especially when it is debt up to its eye balls and spending all its borrowed money destabilising large chunks of the world in the name of a political ideology and in reality no better or worse than any other country on earth.
That being said I am enjoying Seattle although I much prefer Oregon (went to uni there) and Arizona (where the in laws live and I lived for 7 years) but I shouldn't talk of things I know nothing of.[/FONT][/COLOR]
That's not how most of the citizens of the USA (particularly Veterans) view it. We proudly fly our flag. We have the most ethnically diverse nation on earth. The USA is the most technology advanced nation on earth. Blessed with the abundant nateral resources and the most varied and beautiful flora and fauna on earth.
November 26th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
News flash, it should say "That's not how most of the citizens of [insert your country here] (particularly Veterans) view it."

The reality is that we all see our nations as "great nations" and we are all right therefore having to listen to people constantly drone on about "mine is greater" is just bollocks.

Here watch and think about it...

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November 26th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
News flash, it should say "That's not how most of the citizens of [insert your country here] (particularly Veterans) view it."

The reality is that we all see our nations as "great nations" and we are all right therefore having to listen to people constantly drone on about "mine is greater" is just bollocks.

Here watch and think about it...
1st error he has to use profanity in his opening sentence to get his point across. 2nd one never has to look very far to find crap like this. Stopped listening after 10 seconds in, not witty just trashy.
November 26th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Sounds more like an excuse to avoid hearing a divergent point.
November 26th, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB

The reality is that we all see our nations as "great nations"
This is not correct : there is no one in Belgium who considers his "nation " as a "great nation ": there is NO Belgian nation .
 


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