Obliterating Islamic State (ISIS) - Page 13




 
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Boots
 
November 21st, 2015  
lljadw
 
The situation in Brussels is becoming very dangerous,everything is closing, the army is committed to prevent an attack,snipers are positioned.We can only wait .
November 21st, 2015  
Tuan
 
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
I read somewhere that Obama won't commit US ground troops, I have no idea if David Cameron would. However, ISIS might blend into the background for a while, then as sure as God made little green apples, it will all kick off again. Terrorism cannot be defeated 100%
Agree with your point that terrorism cannot be militarily defeated completely, unless we come up with new ideas to counter the enemy's ideology. When fighting terrorism we have to be cautious; as Friedrich Nietzsche wisely pointed out "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
November 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 
I don't know about all this neo-conservatism and liberalism stuff. But Russia sure gave it to them in the last week. Major infrastructure damage and destruction. The largest bombing raid in over a decade anywhere. The only problem with this massive type of bombing raids is one can't avoid the loss of civilians. As Brit said it may not be 100% defeated but it sure can be whittled down.
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November 21st, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
I don't know about all this neo-conservatism and liberalism stuff. But Russia sure gave it to them in the last week. Major infrastructure damage and destruction. The largest bombing raid in over a decade anywhere. The only problem with this massive type of bombing raids is one can't avoid the loss of civilians. As Brit said it may not be 100% defeated but it sure can be whittled down.
This did not prevent the attacks of Paris and in Mali,and the possible/probable attack in brussels .
November 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 
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Originally Posted by lljadw
This did not prevent the attacks of Paris and in Mali,and the possible/probable attack in brussels .
These attacks are completely unrelated to the Russian bombing. They have terrorist cells all over Europe, ME and Africa. What on earth makes you connect these 2 completely different set of events?

This will not be prevented by bombing and or attacking ISIS's conventional forces and main infrastructure in Syria and Iraq. 100's of million of dollars worth of oil under ISIS's control have been blasted to kingdom come. Over 500 oil bearing trucks destroyed. Arms and munitions factories destroyed. Countless ISIS enclaves have been blasted.

You been complaining for weeks that ISIS is not being heavily bombed (even suggesting the lunatic idea of nuclear bombs). When Russia pounds the hell out of ISIS dropping more bombs in less than a week than the coalition has dropped in a year you still complain. More bombs in fact than anyone has dropped in more than a decade anywhere in the world, in less than 1 week you still complain.
November 21st, 2015  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuan
Agree with your point that terrorism cannot be militarily defeated completely, unless we come up with new ideas to counter the enemy's ideology. When fighting terrorism we have to be cautious; as Friedrich Nietzsche wisely pointed out "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
To counter the terrorists ideology is not a job for the military, that is something for the civilian societies. The military can provide with the short term solutions, but not for the long term solutions. That is the job for the state building, the creation of the civil societies to address.
November 21st, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
These attacks are completely unrelated to the Russian bombing. They have terrorist cells all over Europe, ME and Africa. What on earth makes you connect these 2 completely different set of events?

This will not be prevented by bombing and or attacking ISIS's conventional forces and main infrastructure in Syria and Iraq. 100's of million of dollars worth of oil under ISIS's control have been blasted to kingdom come. Over 500 oil bearing trucks destroyed. Arms and munitions factories destroyed. Countless ISIS enclaves have been blasted.

You been complaining for weeks that ISIS is not being heavily bombed (even suggesting the lunatic idea of nuclear bombs). When Russia pounds the hell out of ISIS dropping more bombs in less than a week than the coalition has dropped in a year you still complain. More bombs in fact than anyone has dropped in more than a decade anywhere in the world, in less than 1 week you still complain.
1)The attacks in Paris and Mali and what is happening in Brussels proves that ISIS is not defeated and even not seriously hurted by the Russian air attacks .

2) I like to see the PROOFS for the triumfant claims about the 100's milllion of dollars worth of oil lost and the 500 trucks destroyed

3 )"More bombs by the Russians in less than a week than the coalition has dropped in one year" : you admit that the coalition has done nothing ? Besides this proves nothing about the amount of bombs dropped and of the damage for ISIS

4) As long as the opponents of ISIS are using kid gloves, ISIS will grow and will kill .The only strategy that will work is to bomb them to hell .
November 21st, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk
To counter the terrorists ideology is not a job for the military, that is something for the civilian societies. The military can provide with the short term solutions, but not for the long term solutions. That is the job for the state building, the creation of the civil societies to address.
It is not needed to counter the terrorist ideology,the only successful policy is to terrorize the terrorists and their accomplices,accomplices being those who are helping ISIS by not fighting and condemning ISIS: the 1.5 billion Muslims .As it is not possible to kill 1.5 billion people, let's kill the 50000 /100000 ISIS members,that will scare the others .Make an exemple .

Civilian societies are not defeating terrorists : the Rote Armee Fraktion was not defeated by civilian society,but by police .
November 21st, 2015  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
It is not needed to counter the terrorist ideology,the only successful policy is to terrorize the terrorists and their accomplices,accomplices being those who are helping ISIS by not fighting and condemning ISIS: the 1.5 billion Muslims .As it is not possible to kill 1.5 billion people, let's kill the 50000 /100000 ISIS members,that will scare the others .Make an exemple .

Civilian societies are not defeating terrorists : the Rote Armee Fraktion was not defeated by civilian society,but by police .
How have military interventions worked out in the past? Do your home work, dumb nut. The military can provide with the short term solutions, but it cannot solve the grievance in the region. The military interventions will create new enemies. I don't expect you to comprehend these things, my dead dog has greater comprehensions about these things than you do. You will not scare them with your solution, you will create a mess. You want to use nukes against another country, that makes you very similar as the ISIS.

The law enforcement and the legal system belongs to the civil society, are you twelve? You are so incompetent so I have a problem to take you seriously.
November 21st, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lljadw
1)The attacks in Paris and Mali and what is happening in Brussels proves that ISIS is not defeated and even not seriously hurted by the Russian air attacks .

2) I like to see the PROOFS for the triumfant claims about the 100's milllion of dollars worth of oil lost and the 500 trucks destroyed

3 )"More bombs by the Russians in less than a week than the coalition has dropped in one year" : you admit that the coalition has done nothing ? Besides this proves nothing about the amount of bombs dropped and of the damage for ISIS

4) As long as the opponents of ISIS are using kid gloves, ISIS will grow and will kill .The only strategy that will work is to bomb them to hell .

You are talking foolish the Russians are not using kit gloves. They are using the heavy back fire bombers (their equivalent to our B-52) and cruise missiles. They ran ~ 140 sorties in 3 days alone. Proof do some research.
 


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