Obama Worries Liberals
The Other Guy
Spam King
I'm not angry. I'm actually pretty impressed with how he is handling things so far. It's the bipartisan non-abuse of power that this country needs, not just a complete swing from left to right that equals a complete change in government style every 4 or 8 years.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Let's just wait and see. So far I think he's making sensible choices and he's trying to bring peace to the American government from all major players.
mmarsh
Active member
Anyone who thinks Obama resembles Bush simply because he not following the ultra-left agenda is seriously deluded.
What Obama is doing now is what Bush failed to do over the past 8 years, and that is keeping the own party radicals at bay. The liberals ought to remember that Bush greatest failure as a president was his divisiveness. His ability to wave the middle finger at those who disagreed with him without even bothering to listen to the other side. But apparently the ultra-left is determined that Obama repeat the same errors Bush made and Obama is too smart for that.
HokieMSG
Active member
It seems curious to me that the "change" candidate is using a lot of wahsington "insiders" for his cabinet. I think that we are just going to have more of the same. Congress won't get anything accomplished, besides spending a lot of our money bailing out (insert financial sector here).
I wonder when people are going to realize that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between most politicans.
I just want Washington to stop wasting my tax dollars and leave me and my guns the hell alone.
I wonder when people are going to realize that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between most politicans.
I just want Washington to stop wasting my tax dollars and leave me and my guns the hell alone.
5.56X45mm
Milforum Mac Daddy
For a lot of talk about "CHANGE" all I see are Clinton lackeys. Nothing new at all... no wonder why the Left is getting angry. They've already gone through that and they voted for the "ONE" because he was Hillary Clinton and thus a repeat of Bill "*******" Clinton.
The people that supported the "ONE" during the elections are so left they truly want the USA to fail.... so either one of two things will happen.
Either the "ONE" will fulfill their wishes and become the socialist state that they want or the "ONE" will just cluster :cen: the country like Carter....
Either we, we're boned.
I wish him the best of luck and I hope that he doesn't cluster :cen: the USA.
The people that supported the "ONE" during the elections are so left they truly want the USA to fail.... so either one of two things will happen.
Either the "ONE" will fulfill their wishes and become the socialist state that they want or the "ONE" will just cluster :cen: the country like Carter....
Either we, we're boned.
I wish him the best of luck and I hope that he doesn't cluster :cen: the USA.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Well, if the radical change is what people feared and it looks like it's not going to happen, what's the problem?
Like I said, whether you like him or not, you're stuck with him for the next four years, give the man a chance.
Like I said, whether you like him or not, you're stuck with him for the next four years, give the man a chance.
The same people can do different things. The change must be in policy and not necessarely the people.
Secondly, define "truly wanting to fail". I am not sure what you mean by that. Imo the US has already done that under Bush, but I know we differ on this issue. Hence my question.
Thirdly, you talk about socialist states as if that is a disease. You do know that all nations in Scandinavia are "socialist" and score better than the US on most points. You choose the kind of socialism you want. The old Marxism has changed over the ages.
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
Ted, when things aren't going well and a new boss takes over, the effective ones do this first: they axe all the managers.
I know the tactic, but I don't agree with it. It is too easy and not all managers suck in companies that don't do well. It looks good, granted. Why else do you sack the manager from some soccer club when the results are bad. But is proves ineffective most of the times...
A Can of Man
Je suis aware
No, it's what the good bosses do because they know if an organization sucks, the responsibility for the failures lie with the management. It's that simple. I've seen far too many organizations "not agree" with this and dick around with the same morons who messed it up in the first place.
Take America's issues with the credit crisis.
The people who are responsible for this are not going to be either fired or heavily penalized. Don't you think that's outrageous? I think so.
It's not about looking good or not good, it's about results.
And actually yes, if the manager sucks, you sack him and get a better one. It works most of the time. When it doesn't work, it's because the board of directors or the chairman is also the problem but they haven't got the axe as they should have. Aston Villa's done very well since they got a new chairman and a new manager. It's not the only one out there either.
Take America's issues with the credit crisis.
The people who are responsible for this are not going to be either fired or heavily penalized. Don't you think that's outrageous? I think so.
It's not about looking good or not good, it's about results.
And actually yes, if the manager sucks, you sack him and get a better one. It works most of the time. When it doesn't work, it's because the board of directors or the chairman is also the problem but they haven't got the axe as they should have. Aston Villa's done very well since they got a new chairman and a new manager. It's not the only one out there either.
HokieMSG
Active member
My beef is with our Congress. They should have been more proactive about their oversight than they were. Where was Barney Frank when questions were raised about the policies. I'll tell you where he was. He was too busy crowing about how great things were.
This is the same guy who, when asked about how Congress was going to pay for the $700B bailout that we would use deficit spending until the economy got better, then they would tax the rich.
Fannie May fired their Financial Risk manager because he was asking too many questions about the number of risky loans being made.
The American economy was based on free markets. Free markets encourage innovation and efficiency. Socialism does not. In a free market working smart and working hard can get you ahead. Taking risks and trying new things are what this great country was founded on. Sure sometimes you fail but the truly great ones are the ones that try again, and again until they make it.
This might have been true in the beginning. After the share holders got into the picture, profit was the name of the game. Anything was done to appease the share holders and look what a mess that made.
I am no socialist, but I do think that the state needs to be involved more than they did. It is not about spending money, but checking the people with dollar signs in their eyes.
Chukpike
Banned
I am not an Obama fan but I do feel a little (very little) sorry for him. He isn't even President yet and the Media, liberals and everyone else with an agenda is after him.
He should get to sleep in the White House one night before the hounds are unleashed.
I can hear him on the first morning when he wakes up.
I'm The President! Oh, My God what have I done!
And Bush will be saying, "Serves him right er left whatever".
He should get to sleep in the White House one night before the hounds are unleashed.
I can hear him on the first morning when he wakes up.
I'm The President! Oh, My God what have I done!
And Bush will be saying, "Serves him right er left whatever".
The Other Guy
Spam King
Yeah, how dare he run for office, when a perfectly eligible canidate was already running!
]I'm not a Obama, fan either, in fact I don't like him one bit, not a race thing, and experience thing. BUT the man was elected to the office, I say he deserves the full respect of his office and position, and the support of the country. Don't dog the man for being "the first African-American" who cares? I don't, what matters is what he does with the country, lets give the man his chance, never know he might be "the one"
Chukpike
Banned
Not sure what you mean. I think everyone should at least wait until he is the President before they start second guessing.
The Other Guy
Spam King
If you explain it that way, I agree. Misread that first part. However the second part I disagree. I think he knows what he's getting into.
DTop
Active member
I think there's nothing wrong with expressing an opinion on his transition efforts whether you agree or not. Expectations are so high from some quarters that he's bound to disappoint some of his supporters. The Gov. Blogojaevich situation is also adding fuel to the fire these days. Personally, I think there's a lot more that we don't know about Obama than we can imagine. American style politics is interesting but Chicago style politics is a whole other breed of animal. Now that we're about to have Chicago style politics on the national level, it's going to be an eye opening experience for many folks. It's going to be an interesting ride.
HokieMSG
Active member
While I agree in part with the above statement, I think that the share holders need to be more active. They should vote their proxies and attempt to understand how the business they are invested in is being run. Too Many times the boards are allowing the golden parachutes. Is that something that the government needs to be involved in? Absolutely Not. While there is nothing illegal about it, it is disturbing that the CEO of Home Depot can recieve a huge severance after running the company into the ground. Maybe the shar holders need to file a class action suit against the board of directors. Ultimately the ONLY perople who can have a beef with a company is someone who owns stock in the company. Now that the government is working on bailing out the big 3, the american public should have something to say about it. IMHO the big 3 should have to restructure under Chapter 11. This would force them to have a plan for financial viability. BTW I own stock in GM.