Obama vs. Romney

[Yossarian]

LOL

Yo, I was out for a walk minding my own business and *smack* ran right into the darn thing:-x

, pixie must have forgotten to take it with soooooooo I thought I would try it on for size and see what all the fuss is about

I think it is a little over rated

Call me a neo fascist commie heathen or what ever contradiction you can think off.

But I side with pixie on this debate. Sorry dearest:-|

 

[pixiedustboo]

LOL@ twist your panties...I love a good sense of humor pixie

Actually, I thought you came in with your pantis on fire when you jumped up on that leftie soap box going into the war on women blah blah blah and I thought I should save you and throw water on your panties to put out the fire:cheers:

Boy I wish we had a Jungle here.... Actually, on that note, do I know you from anywhere else?

Anyway, nice try attempting to circle back around to make it a left -right political issue...it is not about that for me. I would not support killing babies as a form of birth control no matter which side was in charge.

Funny how your open mind leads you to fall in line with a political party that would use such as issue as killing unborn babies to divide women and my open mind leads me to side with the unborn innocent child not being murdered over and over and over again...indeed, amazing.

NOTE: never has the issue of rape, incest or health of the mother come up in my post, it is non sense to hide behind that excuse using it to support killing babies as a form of birth control. Of course those issues should be protected, not the issue at all and I hate when people in support of killing babies as a form of birth control try to use this as an out for the selfish act of murdering babies. Pathetic for Planned Parenthood to use that to hide behind.

I know, I know, it is just a human life, an unborn baby and not the egg of a turtle in Fl that you would fine a person or give jail time to if a person even dared to breath in the same area as the turtle egg, heaven forbid we disturb the area of the turtle egg.

Personally, I don't care who takes birth control, in fact, if you are a person who would kill an unborn child as a form of birth control, then you are the exact person who I want on birth control, I just don't want to pay for it.

I am an advocate for the unborn life of an innocent child, not for planned parenthoood who getes 1.5 million a day and usese a great amount of the funds to commit large acts of violence on unborn babies each and every day over and over and over again. Planned Parenthood can use private funds to kill babies and help women get rid of what they view as a mistake or a problem.

My tax dollars are being used to support issues I don't agree with, either it is babies making babies and these women are having multiple children with multiple men and want the govt to be their new husband and pay for their children or we have women who couldn't even be bothered to take a pill and certainly can't be bothered with 9 months and adoption much easier to just get rid of the unborn child.

Please please please don't insult me by hiding behind rape, incest and the health of the mother, those are rare cases and are not the large numbers we see when it comes to a abortion. To hide behind those real cases in order to murder unborn children is pathetic and evil.

You are assuming quite a bit about me. Don't worry though, I don't take it personally because I used to have my head stuffed up my ass as well. A great man once said, "assumption is the mother of all ****-ups." And just so we are clear, I am not being holier-than-thou on this topic, I still fall into that trap today, (but I do tend to do it less as a liberal).

As small as the number may be of pregnancies that are a result of rape, they do happen. I do not believe you would think it was such an insignificant number if it were your 11 year old child that was raped and impregnated.

I am not in favor of abortion in the least. I think the women that do it purely because they "made a mistake" must either be totally uncaring of their actions and the child growing in their womb or they truly are so lost that they believe this is 'the best thing' that can be done. Either way in my opinion they need some serious counseling before they make such a decision. (This is my opinion, and not something I think the government should control). And honestly, if a woman is thinking about abortion purely because she 'made a mistake' is that the sort of woman that should be raising a child or letting that child grow in her womb for 9 months? I believe a mother's love starts in the womb, if you cannot love the life inside of you how in God's name do you expect her to raise it outside of her womb and there are so many children in this world already that need love it is unfair to bring more in because of your misplaced sense of guilt.

There are also other reasons for a woman wanting an abortion. If her child is disformed, mentally ill, or has an incurable disease how on Earth do you deem it your right to force her to bear a child that will only know pain and suffering for a few short minutes, hours or days (if it even makes it through the pregnancy)? If you support bringing a life onto this earth when you have total knowledge it will suffer every breathe, it is not I that am cruel and uncaring. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for a person is to let them go.

Also, what about the woman whose pregnancy is a danger to her own life? I am on the fence what my decision would be if I were a rape victim and concieved, but if my own life were in danger? I want to raise my child. I will do whatever I have to do to stay on this Earth and raise the baby that breathes this air, that smiles, that laughs and that needs me. This is not about the "potential" life, this is about the life that IS. I was put onto this Earth to care for my child. Inshallah I never have to make such a decision, but if I ever have to the lives of my children that walk this Earth in flesh are my first responsiblity.

You may judge me all you wish, just keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

You say, "this is rare" this IS rare in the grand scheme of things. You say I hide behind all these "reasons," but really aren't you hiding behind, "this is rare?" This may well be RARE (rape, incest, danger, ill-ness), but to the women's lives this is effecting it is not "rare" it is REAL.

Then to add salt to the wound, the left try to pass it off as a "war on women" when women in Afganistan who really know the issues of war on women is really beyond insulting for me, can't speak for you or anyone else but to me that is totally offensive.


If you want to reform insurance to lower the cost of birth control, I can support that, I will never support a socialist welfare community mentality, it makes for weak people and a weak country


Reform of insurance companies and education as to what the act of abortion really is should be the goal, not dumbing down our medical services to welfare services by supporting a hand out mentality rather than creating jobs and paying for your own way and taking ownership of your actions.

We are not talking about Afghan women. We are talking about American women, who want their government on the path of evolving, not devolving.

I most definitely see why this is so offensive to you if you are comparing Afghan women's rights to American's women's rights. Here is the kicker, you CANNOT compare them. My heart goes out to them and do I think we should be caring for the people of this world before turtle eggs...oh hell yes. This being said, you still cannot compare them.

Your Romney is the one that came up with the idea of universal health care or didn't you get that notice?

I most certainly agree with reforming healthcare as a whole, but truly that can't happen until we have some HUGE changes in our government. Our government is in bed with insurance and medicine companies. Money, money.

As for educating on abortion. Yes. I think we need a major re-haul on sex ed as well.

 

[Chief Bones]

While many Americans have a problem with Obama being President, th ink where we would be if that maniac Romney was President and had to deal with the situation in the Middle East.

Talk about alligators up to our wastes. Trying to drain that swamp using the stance that Romney has vis-a-vis that area, would cause WWIII.

While I have a problem with some of the present administration's stance on a host of issues, I would rather have a President that thinks long and hard before he sends more young Americans into harms way again.

 

[USAgirl]

Call me a neo fascist commie heathen or what ever contradiction you can think off.

But I side with pixie on this debate. Sorry dearest:-|

Then we shall agree to disagree on "this debate", Yo, aka neo fascist commie seems a bit harsh Yo, how about pink o???:angel:

You are forgiven

 

[USAgirl]

Boy I wish we had a Jungle here.... Actually, on that note, do I know you from anywhere else?





You are assuming quite a bit about me. Don't worry though, I don't take it personally because I used to have my head stuffed up my ass as well. A great man once said, "assumption is the mother of all ****-ups." And just so we are clear, I am not being holier-than-thou on this topic, I still fall into that trap today, (but I do tend to do it less as a liberal).

As small as the number may be of pregnancies that are a result of rape, they do happen. I do not believe you would think it was such an insignificant number if it were your 11 year old child that was raped and impregnated.

I am not in favor of abortion in the least. I think the women that do it purely because they "made a mistake" must either be totally uncaring of their actions and the child growing in their womb or they truly are so lost that they believe this is 'the best thing' that can be done. Either way in my opinion they need some serious counseling before they make such a decision. (This is my opinion, and not something I think the government should control). And honestly, if a woman is thinking about abortion purely because she 'made a mistake' is that the sort of woman that should be raising a child or letting that child grow in her womb for 9 months? I believe a mother's love starts in the womb, if you cannot love the life inside of you how in God's name do you expect her to raise it outside of her womb and there are so many children in this world already that need love it is unfair to bring more in because of your misplaced sense of guilt.

There are also other reasons for a woman wanting an abortion. If her child is disformed, mentally ill, or has an incurable disease how on Earth do you deem it your right to force her to bear a child that will only know pain and suffering for a few short minutes, hours or days (if it even makes it through the pregnancy)? If you support bringing a life onto this earth when you have total knowledge it will suffer every breathe, it is not I that am cruel and uncaring. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for a person is to let them go.

Also, what about the woman whose pregnancy is a danger to her own life? I am on the fence what my decision would be if I were a rape victim and concieved, but if my own life were in danger? I want to raise my child. I will do whatever I have to do to stay on this Earth and raise the baby that breathes this air, that smiles, that laughs and that needs me. This is not about the "potential" life, this is about the life that IS. I was put onto this Earth to care for my child. Inshallah I never have to make such a decision, but if I ever have to the lives of my children that walk this Earth in flesh are my first responsiblity.

You may judge me all you wish, just keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

You say, "this is rare" this IS rare in the grand scheme of things. You say I hide behind all these "reasons," but really aren't you hiding behind, "this is rare?" This may well be RARE (rape, incest, danger, ill-ness), but to the women's lives this is effecting it is not "rare" it is REAL.




We are not talking about Afghan women. We are talking about American women, who want their government on the path of evolving, not devolving.

I most definitely see why this is so offensive to you if you are comparing Afghan women's rights to American's women's rights. Here is the kicker, you CANNOT compare them. My heart goes out to them and do I think we should be caring for the people of this world before turtle eggs...oh hell yes. This being said, you still cannot compare them.

Your Romney is the one that came up with the idea of universal health care or didn't you get that notice?

I most certainly agree with reforming healthcare as a whole, but truly that can't happen until we have some HUGE changes in our government. Our government is in bed with insurance and medicine companies. Money, money.

As for educating on abortion. Yes. I think we need a major re-haul on sex ed as well.

Sorry, you lost me on the "jungle" remark pixie, not sure if you have ever been to the American military site , I have been a long time poster there but I don't remember you from those threads.

 

[Yossarian]

Then we shall agree to disagree on "this debate", Yo, aka neo fascist commie seems a bit harsh Yo, how about pink o???:angel:

You are forgiven

More or less aware of what happens based mainly off our very nature. What we are made off runs deeply in how we interact and govern our selves.

On any scale. Also I seem to notice a very very large majority of Americans who aren't even concerned about the financial manipulation with parties outside of government. People who sidestep policy in to benifit horrid labor practices and siphone money and Governmental functionality out of our Country's intended desgin.

Mainly people who abuse our offices, a large group being private entities.

Yet nobody cares, maybe in time we will all deserve such a fate. Seems like slavery will take a new form for all those caught in the net of borderline poverty.

Or at least the notion has evolved faster than people's perceptions.

The largest issue and threat to prosperity and for the larger part the future of our nation's youth today, is that the haves right now are constantly failing to understand the causes behind the reasons we have the have nots.

And offer solutions that suited them in the last era of this country even as they become more and more irrelevant in this century. The world is changing and many are stuck in the same rudimentary train of thought that won't keep working much longer at this economic era of globalization. And advice for those struggling now on those lines is useless.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe I will have to do one day what I never hope to do and say I told you so.

I really don't want to be that guy.

And about your labels...

Conservitives suck, if you think you can have both small government and strong anti abortion laws and regulations then obviously skipped out on a civic's class or two.

Leftists screwed the pooch. Lefists had a shot once, where 3 quaters of the entire planet at one point in time was under some sort of Socialism. Yet unable to adapt to the strangulation imposed by the Capitalistic factions of the world. Mainly the U.S., they failed to adapt and allowed the effects to compound over the decades to utterly collapse. The dream stalled and socialism for the future began to backslide.

Me, I could care less about labels. Screw the left idea's and the right, because honestly no matter who I or people like me speak to, the response is usually calling me the ideological enemy of who ever you support.

Despite them running so close together these day. Me, what do I go for? Making stuff work, not playing the party lines nonsense, just getting things done, and striving to have and support the notion of a fulfilling life. Nothing more or less.

Lastly about abortion , how would feel about paying taxes to support all the abandoned children in our welfare systems across the country? Do you complain about youth crime, and drug use and the swelling of penal populations? Do you complain about paying so much for incarceration costs these days in society?

At what point however do a majority of anti abortion supporters stop caring so much for the fetus? When it's born. I tell you what, go adopt a crack baby with no parents, and raise it. Because I don't see any logic whatsoever in complaining about disrespectful parent less juvinile criminals and crime in any area of the country, when you so avidly support bringing all of them into the this world.

Let's say they are born homeless, let's say they are born addicted to drugs or have HIV, great world to come into yes? Do you think all those people with save the babies bumper stickers will take rough neighborhood children into their suburban homes?

Didn't think so.

 

[USAgirl]

Boy I wish we had a Jungle here.... Actually, on that note, do I know you from anywhere else?





You are assuming quite a bit about me. Don't worry though, I don't take it personally because I used to have my head stuffed up my ass as well. A great man once said, "assumption is the mother of all ****-ups." And just so we are clear, I am not being holier-than-thou on this topic, I still fall into that trap today, (but I do tend to do it less as a liberal).

Yes, I can see "how not being so holier than thou" you are by how blinding brite your liberal shine is....whatever....I don't really assume one way or another about you personally, no matter where your head is or has been, its more about the topic and issues for me pix

As small as the number may be of pregnancies that are a result of rape, they do happen. I do not believe you would think it was such an insignificant number if it were your 11 year old child that was raped and impregnated.

Nice try but rape and incest are extremely personal and significant to me and thus I hate when people and organizations such as planned parenthood hide behind them as an excuse to use abortion as a form of birth control to kill unborn babies and make money off of such a violent act.

I am not in favor of abortion in the least. I think the women that do it purely because they "made a mistake" must either be totally uncaring of their actions and the child growing in their womb or they truly are so lost that they believe this is 'the best thing' that can be done. Either way in my opinion they need some serious counseling before they make such a decision. (This is my opinion, and not something I think the government should control). And honestly, if a woman is thinking about abortion purely because she 'made a mistake' is that the sort of woman that should be raising a child or letting that child grow in her womb for 9 months? I believe a mother's love starts in the womb, if you cannot love the life inside of you how in God's name do you expect her to raise it outside of her womb and there are so many children in this world already that need love it is unfair to bring more in because of your misplaced sense of guilt.

That is the point pixie, they are not getting that counseling and many who actually use abortion as birth control don't even know the baby has eyes a nose and a mouth or fingers, it is simple a cash machine for these people who are getting away with performing this act of violece.

And I don't expect to kill an unborn child because a woman messed up or can't be bothered or for the woman to raise the child, I would expect adoption to take place so the unborn child could have a chance in life.

And sometimes the most loving thing a mother can do is to give her baby a chance of life and a life with a family other than her own.

Also, I can't buy into the mothers womb and love thing because there are plenty of children who have never known that love who turn out to be wonderful loving people who contribute much to life.

There are also other reasons for a woman wanting an abortion. If her child is disformed, mentally ill, or has an incurable disease how on Earth do you deem it your right to force her to bear a child that will only know pain and suffering for a few short minutes, hours or days (if it even makes it through the pregnancy)? If you support bringing a life onto this earth when you have total knowledge it will suffer every breathe, it is not I that am cruel and uncaring. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for a person is to let them go.

"Force her to bare that child?" I would hope she would want to bare that child and if she could not raise it herself then I know many woman who would and have raised such children and only see them as joy and a gift.

Again, rape, incest and "health issues" have never been the issue but funny how that is right where you go first.

Are they in pain? How do you know they are not happy to be alive? Most handy cap children I see are innocently happy with smiles and almot giddy.

And wasn't it Hitler who tried to put a stop to people with birth defects or that might have birth defects from having babies?

Now who is playing God?

Also, what about the woman whose pregnancy is a danger to her own life? I am on the fence what my decision would be if I were a rape victim and concieved, but if my own life were in danger? I want to raise my child. I will do whatever I have to do to stay on this Earth and raise the baby that breathes this air, that smiles, that laughs and that needs me. This is not about the "potential" life, this is about the life that IS. I was put onto this Earth to care for my child. Inshallah I never have to make such a decision, but if I ever have to the lives of my children that walk this Earth in flesh are my first responsiblity.

Again pixie, rape, incest and health to a mother have never been questioned with concern to birth control and abortion, that is choice.

And who is assuming now? Do you think every woman who has ever been raped chooses abortion? Has every woman who suffered incest chosen abortion? There are mothers who have given their own life to bring their child into the world.

So what is really a womans choice?

You may judge me all you wish, just keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

I don't judge you or hate you and my opinion is just that, 'MY' opinion and "I" am free to have the "choice" to voice such opinion. And note" I am a woman making the "choice" not the phony war on woman non sense coming from the left and not men on the right taking away a womans choice fairydust....pathetic

You say, "this is rare" this IS rare in the grand scheme of things. You say I hide behind all these "reasons," but really aren't you hiding behind, "this is rare?" This may well be RARE (rape, incest, danger, ill-ness), but to the women's lives this is effecting it is not "rare" it is REAL.


I did make a point to tell the other side which is being used to manipulate a very important issue of life, I don't know if "you" hide beind these arguments are not, I see you did go there in this post with your rational to support your opinion on the issue. The real rape, incest and health issues are not the issue, it is the casual uneducated act of killing babies as a form of birth control and govt or orgaizations such a planned parenthood manipulating the issue and using it as a form of financial gain.



We are not talking about Afghan women. We are talking about American women, who want their government on the path of evolving, not devolving.

What war as a woman in America are you under? You can work, you can go to school, you are not forced into marriage, you are not thrown out a window for no reason, you are not sold into slavery, you can vote, you can serve in the military, you can worshiip how you wish, you are sexually free and not stonned in the streets, but if you want to have sex as an adult, I expect you to work and pay your co pay like I do.

I most definitely see why this is so offensive to you if you are comparing Afghan women's rights to American's women's rights. Here is the kicker, you CANNOT compare them. My heart goes out to them and do I think we should be caring for the people of this world before turtle eggs...oh hell yes. This being said, you still cannot compare them.

And I appreciate you trying to see my side too without hating me. I can compare them and I did compare them because it is outrageous to me that as a society we would look after the life of a turtle egg in Fl over the life of an unborn child.

 

[USAgirl]

Boy I wish we had a Jungle here.... Actually, on that note, do I know you from anywhere else?





You are assuming quite a bit about me. Don't worry though, I don't take it personally because I used to have my head stuffed up my ass as well. A great man once said, "assumption is the mother of all ****-ups." And just so we are clear, I am not being holier-than-thou on this topic, I still fall into that trap today, (but I do tend to do it less as a liberal).

As small as the number may be of pregnancies that are a result of rape, they do happen. I do not believe you would think it was such an insignificant number if it were your 11 year old child that was raped and impregnated.

I am not in favor of abortion in the least. I think the women that do it purely because they "made a mistake" must either be totally uncaring of their actions and the child growing in their womb or they truly are so lost that they believe this is 'the best thing' that can be done. Either way in my opinion they need some serious counseling before they make such a decision. (This is my opinion, and not something I think the government should control). And honestly, if a woman is thinking about abortion purely because she 'made a mistake' is that the sort of woman that should be raising a child or letting that child grow in her womb for 9 months? I believe a mother's love starts in the womb, if you cannot love the life inside of you how in God's name do you expect her to raise it outside of her womb and there are so many children in this world already that need love it is unfair to bring more in because of your misplaced sense of guilt.

There are also other reasons for a woman wanting an abortion. If her child is disformed, mentally ill, or has an incurable disease how on Earth do you deem it your right to force her to bear a child that will only know pain and suffering for a few short minutes, hours or days (if it even makes it through the pregnancy)? If you support bringing a life onto this earth when you have total knowledge it will suffer every breathe, it is not I that am cruel and uncaring. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for a person is to let them go.

Also, what about the woman whose pregnancy is a danger to her own life? I am on the fence what my decision would be if I were a rape victim and concieved, but if my own life were in danger? I want to raise my child. I will do whatever I have to do to stay on this Earth and raise the baby that breathes this air, that smiles, that laughs and that needs me. This is not about the "potential" life, this is about the life that IS. I was put onto this Earth to care for my child. Inshallah I never have to make such a decision, but if I ever have to the lives of my children that walk this Earth in flesh are my first responsiblity.

You may judge me all you wish, just keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

You say, "this is rare" this IS rare in the grand scheme of things. You say I hide behind all these "reasons," but really aren't you hiding behind, "this is rare?" This may well be RARE (rape, incest, danger, ill-ness), but to the women's lives this is effecting it is not "rare" it is REAL.




We are not talking about Afghan women. We are talking about American women, who want their government on the path of evolving, not devolving.

I most definitely see why this is so offensive to you if you are comparing Afghan women's rights to American's women's rights. Here is the kicker, you CANNOT compare them. My heart goes out to them and do I think we should be caring for the people of this world before turtle eggs...oh hell yes. This being said, you still cannot compare them.

Your Romney is the one that came up with the idea of universal health care or didn't you get that notice?

I most certainly agree with reforming healthcare as a whole, but truly that can't happen until we have some HUGE changes in our government. Our government is in bed with insurance and medicine companies. Money, money.

As for educating on abortion. Yes. I think we need a major re-haul on sex ed as well.

part two

Your Romney is the one that came up with the idea of universal health care or didn't you get that notice?

"My Romney" lol I took this view way before Romney, I took this view when I voted for Clinton TWICE...now what?


Oh, now you want to talk about baby killing and abortion as it relates to healthcare? What took you so long? I want everyone to have health care, I just don't want to pay for it, people need to take personal ownership, it makes for a stronger people and country.

Of course we take care of our people that are unable to physically take care of themselves and honestly, communities do that better than the govt, but what does that have to do with people abusing the system, breaking our country financially and turning our great healthcare into a pathetic weak form of welfare?


I most certainly agree with reforming healthcare as a whole, but truly that can't happen until we have some HUGE changes in our government. Our government is in bed with insurance and medicine companies. Money, money.

Totally agree with you that healthcare needs to be reformed starting with insurance companies. I am more for creating competition to lower the cost and rewarding people with lower cost for better lifestyle choices rather than making those people pay for the people who make bad choices, self inflicted choices, not to be confused with unavoidable health issues.

"My Romney" as you like to draw lines in the sand actually did create a healthcare system that seems to have worked for his state both for its people and financially and if there are any issues with it then he would not what those issues are and certainly wouldn't want to repeat them, he is after all about profit with a record more financially successful than not both personally and for his investors.

As for educating on abortion. Yes. I think we need a major re-haul on sex ed as well.[/QUOTE]

Sheesh, finally another thing we can agree on pixie only I wonder if we would see education as the same thing

Anyway, is good to chat this out with you pixie even if we agree to disagree, it is how you learn and become more open mined so I look forward to more chats in future post.

 

[USAgirl]

While many Americans have a problem with Obama being President, th ink where we would be if that maniac Romney was President and had to deal with the situation in the Middle East.

Talk about alligators up to our wastes. Trying to drain that swamp using the stance that Romney has vis-a-vis that area, would cause WWIII.

While I have a problem with some of the present administration's stance on a host of issues, I would rather have a President that thinks long and hard before he sends more young Americans into harms way again.

But Cheif, what if we were not even in that situation in the middle east? Maybe the last four years with Pres Obama is why we are in that situation in the middle east? Maybe they don't respect him?

President Obama has not closed Gitmo, he still is in Afganitan, he has put more troops on the border, he has dropped drones all over the middle east, he invaded Pakistan to get bin Laden, he has given huge American dollars to aid the very countries that are on fire right now, we have been attacked right here in the US under his watch, he goes around saying sorry for America like it is all our fault and we did something wrong in attempts to make friends with the beast but guess what, where is the love? It goes on and on and on

And guess what...Romney has done business all over the world for a very long time and is successful and his people working for him have not been raped and killed, his companies not burnt down etc etc

Is Romeny human, yes. Has he made mistakes, yes. I am sure he has learned from them as well. He is a serious business man and not a thug. Maybe he walks the talk and does not just talk?

Romney is more interested in our financial stability than he is for war.

We have huge gas prices, huge unemployment numbers, hugeeeeeeeeee diability claims, hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee welfare program, hugeeeeee debt, our housing market is still down, we have a divided country, we have insulted people that are our ally and the middle east is on fire just to name a few....

how in the heck can all this be going on and you still not see that if someone has not been able to turn it around then you have to let him go.???? Not only turn it around but make it worse in my opinion.

And if Romney and Ryan don't turn it around then I would vote their behind out in a heart beat too. I am more of a term limits person myself.

President Obama is not an evil guy, I just don't agree with a socialist welfare mentality.

 

[USAgirl]

More or less aware of what happens based mainly off our very nature. What we are made off runs deeply in how we interact and govern our selves.

On any scale. Also I seem to notice a very very large majority of Americans who aren't even concerned about the financial manipulation with parties outside of government. People who sidestep policy in to benifit horrid labor practices and siphone money and Governmental functionality out of our Country's intended desgin.

Mainly people who abuse our offices, a large group being private entities.

Yet nobody cares, maybe in time we will all deserve such a fate. Seems like slavery will take a new form for all those caught in the net of borderline poverty.

Or at least the notion has evolved faster than people's perceptions.

The largest issue and threat to prosperity and for the larger part the future of our nation's youth today, is that the haves right now are constantly failing to understand the causes behind the reasons we have the have nots.

And offer solutions that suited them in the last era of this country even as they become more and more irrelevant in this century. The world is changing and many are stuck in the same rudimentary train of thought that won't keep working much longer at this economic era of globalization. And advice for those struggling now on those lines is useless.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe I will have to do one day what I never hope to do and say I told you so.

I really don't want to be that guy.

And about your labels...

Conservitives suck, if you think you can have both small government and strong anti abortion laws and regulations then obviously skipped out on a civic's class or two.

Leftists screwed the pooch. Lefists had a shot once, where 3 quaters of the entire planet at one point in time was under some sort of Socialism. Yet unable to adapt to the strangulation imposed by the Capitalistic factions of the world. Mainly the U.S., they failed to adapt and allowed the effects to compound over the decades to utterly collapse. The dream stalled and socialism for the future began to backslide.

Me, I could care less about labels. Screw the left idea's and the right, because honestly no matter who I or people like me speak to, the response is usually calling me the ideological enemy of who ever you support.

Despite them running so close together these day. Me, what do I go for? Making stuff work, not playing the party lines nonsense, just getting things done, and striving to have and support the notion of a fulfilling life. Nothing more or less.

Lastly about abortion , how would feel about paying taxes to support all the abandoned children in our welfare systems across the country? Do you complain about youth crime, and drug use and the swelling of penal populations? Do you complain about paying so much for incarceration costs these days in society?

At what point however do a majority of anti abortion supporters stop caring so much for the fetus? When it's born. I tell you what, go adopt a crack baby with no parents, and raise it. Because I don't see any logic whatsoever in complaining about disrespectful parent less juvinile criminals and crime in any area of the country, when you so avidly support bringing all of them into the this world.

Let's say they are born homeless, let's say they are born addicted to drugs or have HIV, great world to come into yes? Do you think all those people with save the babies bumper stickers will take rough neighborhood children into their suburban homes?

Didn't think so.

Wow! Where to start. Let's start at the end and then I have to run off to the gym and can get back to you with the rest....

Born addicted to drugs or with HIV? That is Oprah and Bono's full on red campaigne and we have been financially footing the bill for Africa for those issues for how long now? Funny how the left doesn't tell Africa to just abort the homeless drug infested HIV problem.


"When it is born?" not really how I view it Yo, I think when you either have to have the child or abort it so you don't have to give birth to it, it is a live.

So your view is that it is cheaper to kill the baby rather than give it a life?

How would I feel about paying taxes? I do pay taxes and I would rather my money go towards adoption and life rather than killing an unborn baby to save a buck but that is just me. Maybe we could make our adoption process more user friendly rather than going to other countries to adopt? Or maybe we could encourage adoption over designer babies?

As for the titles, it was just a little fun to lighten the mood since the post coming in were taking on such a serious tone.

Look Yo, I don't expect to change your mind or anyone else, I was just giving another side.

 

[George]

"Who do you want answering the phone @ 3 AM?" It's reported that Obama was still up when reports of the attacks on our Embassy/Consulates came in & Obama's responce was to hit the sack. Seems his World Apology Tours have accomplished nothing.

 

[Yossarian]

But Cheif, what if we were not even in that situation in the middle east? Maybe the last four years with Pres Obama is why we are in that situation in the middle east? Maybe they don't respect him?

It's NOT that simple, never is, never was, and never will all of our foreign policy rest squarely on one man in one term at one point of time stem from one man in office.

As for the rest of your answer, here it is.

We use today to measure the passage of time in the for of the Gregorian Calender.

This calender is divided into years, of which are units that measure time in this system. Now, we are year 2012, so your answer will lie in the periods during the following years.

1949-2012, Middle Eastern politics.

1947-1991, Soviet and American influence in the Middle East

1991-2012, Blowback from supporing Non governmental organizations in the prior period listed.


Research them, also research the capcity of the Department of State, Henry Kissinger, Robert McNamara , the Formation of Israel, U.S. military advorsry in the Area during the Cold War. And Soviet intervention in Afghanistan.

THEN observe the mess that Obama inherieted.

This is real stuff, not to be confused with ammunition for a current electoral bid.

I can't support him, but NONE of the cards were in his favor upon taking office. With over 50 years of decisions already made.

Research, Research, Ask questions, Research. Then we can start the process of problem solving.

Blaming Obama is not a shortcut. As tempting as it is to just do that instead.

And guess what...Romney has done business all over the world for a very long time and is successful and his people working for him have not been raped and killed, his companies not burnt down etc etc

Yes in fact this is true. Part of this is what I mention again and again, he helped create and secure tax loopholes that allowed him to move vast amounts of acculated wealth to offshore accounts.

What in the hell makes you honestly "trust" him in making sure our country's already outpaced ecnomy doesn't export the last few money making asset's on people who help pay for his antic's behalf?

If a man can move $30 million in one instant who do you think he hangs out with, people like me, like you? Who do you think he will look out for once it comes to approving new tax brackets?

You? Me? Tell me who?

Yes, he does business all around the globe, and he makes damn sure the money STAYS there. Not here.

Obama has one benefit in office, so many people in so many places gaze at his every movement. Making the financial rape of our foreign trade for his personal benefit is much much less likely.

Romney is more interested in our financial stability than he is for war.

And what about Israel?

He personally mentioned that he would "Respect" use of force against Iran.

Once again please, for the love of every other human being outside America on the planet.

Reevaluate THE IRANIAN SITUATION, and remove the GOOD OR EVIL Bush era garbage from the issue. This ties into previous advice.

Research Research Research, for Iran I recommend from 1819 to even today. Use a MAP, look at where we are, where Israel Is and where Iran is.

You wanna know where backlash comes from towards the U.S.? It's no mystery, propping up Israel with YOUR tax dollar is one of them.

Here, I am tired of talking, here are some examples of what backlash over this looks like, as well as a myriad of other failed polices NOT DONE by Obama from over the years.

 

[Yossarian]

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/june082011/liberty-rescue-413.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYVqSdESZrAon8SqfOFWL-_OqvwnO_9I5oQPs3rL9uACxGrlCydDoQtoez

http://www.mca-marines.org/files/imagecache/full_page_image/beirut-1.jpg

http://www.defraudingamerica.com/embassy_bombing__tanzania.jpg

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/docr...--Car-Bomb-Rocks-Twin-Towers/news/0/image.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/Wgy-KDyLr...b77MzdjZB-ZG5f*q9mi*sGFGVlxRoAYPr/usscole.jpg


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...aPpxyuF_f02VegtcIfFeCW3zDc89t33HW0ZiUM1W4eCkA

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/conten...ineimage.img.503.jpg/1347539518209.cached.jpg

This is blowback,

This is not people around the world just waking up one morning and deciding to just be evil.

These are repercussions of previous tactics and policies throughout the world. I am utterly shocked, utterly astounded that so many Americans today don't even know of some of these happenings.

I hope you enjoy Mr. Romney's plans for Israel. I don't have much more faith in Obama especially after the massive failure with Egypt.

But I pray for the safety of any American's caught living abroad in the coming times.

 

[George]

It's NOT that simple, never is, never was, and never will all of our foreign policy rest squarely on one man in one term at one point of time stem from one man in office.

As for the rest of your answer, here it is.

We use today to measure the passage of time in the for of the Gregorian Calender.

This calender is divided into years, of which are units that measure time in this system. Now, we are year 2012, so your answer will lie in the periods during the following years.

1949-2012, Middle Eastern politics.

1947-1991, Soviet and American influence in the Middle East

1991-2012, Blowback from supporing Non governmental organizations in the prior period listed.


Research them, also research the capcity of the Department of State, Henry Kissinger, Robert McNamara , the Formation of Israel, U.S. military advorsry in the Area during the Cold War. And Soviet intervention in Afghanistan.

THEN observe the mess that Obama inherieted.

This is real stuff, not to be confused with ammunition for a current electoral bid.

I can't support him, but NONE of the cards were in his favor upon taking office. With over 50 years of decisions already made.

Research, Research, Ask questions, Research. Then we can start the process of problem solving.

Blaming Obama is not a shortcut. As tempting as it is to just do that instead.





Yes in fact this is true. Part of this is what I mention again and again, he helped create and secure tax loopholes that allowed him to move vast amounts of acculated wealth to offshore accounts.

What in the hell makes you honestly "trust" him in making sure our country's already outpaced ecnomy doesn't export the last few money making asset's on people who help pay for his antic's behalf?

If a man can move $30 million in one instant who do you think he hangs out with, people like me, like you? Who do you think he will look out for once it comes to approving new tax brackets?

You? Me? Tell me who?

Yes, he does business all around the globe, and he makes damn sure the money STAYS there. Not here.

Obama has one benefit in office, so many people in so many places gaze at his every movement. Making the financial rape of our foreign trade for his personal benefit is much much less likely.



And what about Israel?

He personally mentioned that he would "Respect" use of force against Iran.

Once again please, for the love of every other human being outside America on the planet.

Reevaluate THE IRANIAN SITUATION, and remove the GOOD OR EVIL Bush era garbage from the issue. This ties into previous advice.

Research Research Research, for Iran I recommend from 1819 to even today. Use a MAP, look at where we are, where Israel Is and where Iran is.

You wanna know where backlash comes from towards the U.S.? It's no mystery, propping up Israel with YOUR tax dollar is one of them.

Here, I am tired of talking, here are some examples of what backlash over this looks like, as well as a myriad of other failed polices NOT DONE by Obama from over the years.

If we had The Fair Tax, instead of the current train wreck of a Tax Code, this would be nonevent because there would be no Income Tax.

 

[pixiedustboo]

Nice try but rape and incest are extremely personal and significant to me and thus I hate when people and organizations such as planned parenthood hide behind them as an excuse to use abortion as a form of birth control to kill unborn babies and make money off of such a violent act.

I agree with you. It's disgusting they make money killing babies for the women that are too lazy or too stupid to practice safe sex.

That being said, abortion is NEEDED. Plan B is NEEDED. Both Romeny and Ryan have verbally upheld (and in some cases voted for) extremely pro-life laws.

Extremism either way is cruel.

That is the point pixie, they are not getting that counseling and many who actually use abortion as birth control don't even know the baby has eyes a nose and a mouth or fingers, it is simple a cash machine for these people who are getting away with performing this act of violece.

And I don't expect to kill an unborn child because a woman messed up or can't be bothered or for the woman to raise the child, I would expect adoption to take place so the unborn child could have a chance in life.

And sometimes the most loving thing a mother can do is to give her baby a chance of life and a life with a family other than her own.

Also, I can't buy into the mothers womb and love thing because there are plenty of children who have never known that love who turn out to be wonderful loving people who contribute much to life.

I will concede that perhaps couseling needs to be manadtory. Maybe these women will have a change of heart, maybe not. In the end it still needs to be their choice.

Bringing a child into this world that is unwanted and unloved when so many that are already here and that need loving homes is not a responsible act. If the mother feels in her heart adoption is the way to go then I support it, but again, it needs to be her choice.

Yes there is no doubt in my mind there are adults out there that have been raised with little to no love in their childhood and they have turned out to be good people who do good things. The point I am trying to make is that this should be the mother's choice and that choice should never be taken from her and put into the hands of the government.

Force her to bare that child?" I would hope she would want to bare that child and if she could not raise it herself then I know many woman who would and have raised such children and only see them as joy and a gift.

Are they in pain? How do you know they are not happy to be alive? Most handy cap children I see are innocently happy with smiles and almot giddy.

I'm happy for the women that can devote their lives to a severely handicapped child. Some women cannot or do not wish to. Again, this is not your decision or the decision of the government.

What if they cannot communicate? How do you know then? (I'm not saying I know either). A child that sits with no expression drooling for their entire life.... If a woman KNOWS her child will be born with severe defects and may not even survive pregnancy that is her choice. Sometimes death is an act of love.

Now who is playing God?

One can say the same thing to the lives that are saved because of medical intervention.

Again pixie, rape, incest and health to a mother have never been questioned with concern to birth control and abortion, that is choice.

And who is assuming now? Do you think every woman who has ever been raped chooses abortion? Has every woman who suffered incest chosen abortion? There are mothers who have given their own life to bring their child into the world.

So what is really a womans choice?

Yes, yes, it has been questioned. Todd Akin? Paul Ryan? Mitt-Freaking-Romney? a). And even then, Ryan supported a bill that allowed anti-abortion hospitals to refuse emergency abortions. b.) Following is Governor Mitt Romney's message informing the Legislature that he vetoed the emergency contraception bill. To those who believe that life begins at conception, the morning-after pill can destroy the human life that was created at the moment of fertilization.

Of course I do not think all women who have been raped, who are in danger or who have an ill child in their womb have chosen to abort it! All I am saying is that it needs to be the woman's choice. Not a "law."

The real rape, incest and health issues are not the issue, it is the casual uneducated act of killing babies as a form of birth control and govt or orgaizations such a planned parenthood manipulating the issue and using it as a form of financial gain.

It IS the issue when the potential leaders of the country have a voting record of extreme pro-life stances.

 

[USAgirl]

"Who do you want answering the phone @ 3 AM?" It's reported that Obama was still up when reports of the attacks on our Embassy/Consulates came in & Obama's responce was to hit the sack. Seems his World Apology Tours have accomplished nothing.

He had to get to bed early so he could get to Vegas and ask for money and then jet over to Jzs party to get mo money

 

[Yossarian]

I wouldn't exactly go hard to call him out on it,

My questions, how long was the commander in chief awake before 3 A.M.?

And everyone I have heard comment about this has not even whispered about what he may had to do the next morning.

This is incredibly important. Also would you want an completely exhausted President making decisions, where fatigue and delirium will influence those tough decisions? It is often not wise for someone in a stressful leadership capacity to deprive themselves of sleep.

 

[USAgirl]

It's NOT that simple, never is, never was, and never will all of our foreign policy rest squarely on one man in one term at one point of time stem from one man in office.

As for the rest of your answer, here it is.

We use today to measure the passage of time in the for of the Gregorian Calender.

This calender is divided into years, of which are units that measure time in this system. Now, we are year 2012, so your answer will lie in the periods during the following years.

1949-2012, Middle Eastern politics.

1947-1991, Soviet and American influence in the Middle East

1991-2012, Blowback from supporing Non governmental organizations in the prior period listed.


Research them, also research the capcity of the Department of State, Henry Kissinger, Robert McNamara , the Formation of Israel, U.S. military advorsry in the Area during the Cold War. And Soviet intervention in Afghanistan.

THEN observe the mess that Obama inherieted.

And so? Bush inherieted his two term issue of Americans being attacked on 9/11 because Clinton didn't get bin Laden on his watch? Carter didin't take care of Americans on his watch with American hostages being taken abroad?


This is real stuff, not to be confused with ammunition for a current electoral bid.

We know this is real stuff that has brought us to this point over 200 plus years but President Obama is not turning it around, he is taking it down even more.

I can't support him, but NONE of the cards were in his favor upon taking office. With over 50 years of decisions already made.

Way over 50 years. And now the feds answer to help Pres Obama with this failed economy that has us in even more debt, borrowing more money from China to pay for other countries that are bombing us. The fed wants to print more money to prop up real estate? What happens when you stop printing the money and propping it up? Duh, it crashes AGAIN. Just like, what happens when you give housing loans to people who cant affford them and then they lose their job, the market crashes and you can't sell your house to even break even? Also a Carter deal that Clinton pushed through with Frank and Dodd.

Research, Research, Ask questions, Research. Then we can start the process of problem solving.

Blaming Obama is not a shortcut. As tempting as it is to just do that instead.


I don't want to blame Pres O any more, I just want to let him go and give the next guy a chance, a guy with proven business success and making a return for his investors and as President, I the American would be his invistor.




Yes in fact this is true. Part of this is what I mention again and again, he helped create and secure tax loopholes that allowed him to move vast amounts of acculated wealth to offshore accounts.

Personally I don't know enough about those tax loop holes to comment but if they were passed to compete globally or off set a company that was creating jobs and carrying the load of people

What in the hell makes you honestly "trust" him in making sure our country's already outpaced ecnomy doesn't export the last few money making asset's on people who help pay for his antic's behalf?

Because his nature is in making profitable investments. As Pres we become the company and Americans its investors. This is a global economy, Levis is over sea for goodness sake, you don't NOT do busines in other countries to spite them, you do it at a profit for the US.

If a man can move $30 million in one instant who do you think he hangs out with, people like me, like you? Who do you think he will look out for once it comes to approving new tax brackets?

You don't think people with 401ks investing in companies who have interest in over sea projects or bank accounts? It makes me like him all the more that he has his bets covered here and abroad. When my hubby and I lived in the UK we had accounts here and there and still do, so?

And I know Romney is not hanging out with Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Muslim Brotherhood, Frank Marshall aka card carrying communist etc etc Hanging out in business is much different than hanging out personally Yo. If he is the elder in his church for 10 years, running Bain, raising five boys, and heading up the Olympics he isn't doing much hanging out is he?

I think he will do what he said, tie up those loop holes given to big companies which should make you thrilled but he wont raise taxes on one group personally which is fair and stimulates the economy or has in past times.

You? Me? Tell me who?

How about his family, grandchildren and church community? You think he will be playing golf every other day? Not likely. His faith dictates a more hands on community with charitable donations rather than forced social welfare programs with other peoples govt money.

Yes, he does business all around the globe, and he makes damn sure the money STAYS there. Not here.

Not. You think he lives here, supports his family, church, business, employees of such business, real estate etc etc with no money invested in the states? His money is spread out which makes for a smart businesman in this global economy.

Obama has one benefit in office, so many people in so many places gaze at his every movement. Making the financial rape of our foreign trade for his personal benefit is much much less likely.

I have been gazing at his moves for almost 4 years now Yo and not my cup of tea really. I would prefer he donate his own money to the causes he is passionate about and get out of my pocket. Pres O is all over financial rape of our country benefiting other countries by trying to hedge one company over another with oil, gas, coal, the pipeline aka jobs, solar not profitable by consumer standards, GM GE Solyndra aka all his buddies that donated to his political career.



And what about Israel?

He personally mentioned that he would "Respect" use of force against Iran.

So, Pres O and HIllary have also said "All options are on the table with regard to Iran" Romney has said personally in an interview I watched come out of his own mouth, (not what left media says for him) say that his force would be financial force first and formost, which supports what I said abotu that being what motivates him and will speak to Iran.

Once again please, for the love of every other human being outside America on the planet.

Reevaluate THE IRANIAN SITUATION, and remove the GOOD OR EVIL Bush era garbage from the issue. This ties into previous advice.

Sorry Yo, but when the head of Iran goes and does a speech to his people and the world that Isreal needs to be exterminated then that is evil.

Research Research Research, for Iran I recommend from 1819 to even today. Use a MAP, look at where we are, where Israel Is and where Iran is.

Look at where we are? Where Israel is? As in look at where we are and Germany and Hitler are? Where we are and Japan is?

You wanna know where backlash comes from towards the U.S.? It's no mystery, propping up Israel with YOUR tax dollar is one of them.

Hmm, Isreal gets money but doesnt attack us. England gets no money and is not attacking us. Pakastan gets money, Lybia gets money, Egypt gets money, Africa gets money, India gets money, Iraq gets money, Afganistan gets money and on and on and on and how is the payoff working out?

And the fact that we have to pay people not be a friend is nonsene Yo. We don't pay England and we communicate with the just fine.

Here, I am tired of talking, here are some examples of what backlash over this looks like, as well as a myriad of other failed polices NOT DONE by Obama from over the years.

Tag, you are it

 

[USAgirl]

It's NOT that simple, never is, never was, and never will all of our foreign policy rest squarely on one man in one term at one point of time stem from one man in office.

As for the rest of your answer, here it is.

We use today to measure the passage of time in the for of the Gregorian Calender.

This calender is divided into years, of which are units that measure time in this system. Now, we are year 2012, so your answer will lie in the periods during the following years.

1949-2012, Middle Eastern politics.

1947-1991, Soviet and American influence in the Middle East

1991-2012, Blowback from supporing Non governmental organizations in the prior period listed.


Research them, also research the capcity of the Department of State, Henry Kissinger, Robert McNamara , the Formation of Israel, U.S. military advorsry in the Area during the Cold War. And Soviet intervention in Afghanistan.

THEN observe the mess that Obama inherieted.

This is real stuff, not to be confused with ammunition for a current electoral bid.

I can't support him, but NONE of the cards were in his favor upon taking office. With over 50 years of decisions already made.

Research, Research, Ask questions, Research. Then we can start the process of problem solving.

Blaming Obama is not a shortcut. As tempting as it is to just do that instead.





Yes in fact this is true. Part of this is what I mention again and again, he helped create and secure tax loopholes that allowed him to move vast amounts of acculated wealth to offshore accounts.

What in the hell makes you honestly "trust" him in making sure our country's already outpaced ecnomy doesn't export the last few money making asset's on people who help pay for his antic's behalf?

If a man can move $30 million in one instant who do you think he hangs out with, people like me, like you? Who do you think he will look out for once it comes to approving new tax brackets?

You? Me? Tell me who?

Yes, he does business all around the globe, and he makes damn sure the money STAYS there. Not here.

Obama has one benefit in office, so many people in so many places gaze at his every movement. Making the financial rape of our foreign trade for his personal benefit is much much less likely.



And what about Israel?

He personally mentioned that he would "Respect" use of force against Iran.

Once again please, for the love of every other human being outside America on the planet.

Reevaluate THE IRANIAN SITUATION, and remove the GOOD OR EVIL Bush era garbage from the issue. This ties into previous advice.

Research Research Research, for Iran I recommend from 1819 to even today. Use a MAP, look at where we are, where Israel Is and where Iran is.

You wanna know where backlash comes from towards the U.S.? It's no mystery, propping up Israel with YOUR tax dollar is one of them.

Here, I am tired of talking, here are some examples of what backlash over this looks like, as well as a myriad of other failed polices NOT DONE by Obama from over the years.

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/june082011/liberty-rescue-413.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYVqSdESZrAon8SqfOFWL-_OqvwnO_9I5oQPs3rL9uACxGrlCydDoQtoez

http://www.mca-marines.org/files/imagecache/full_page_image/beirut-1.jpg

http://www.defraudingamerica.com/embassy_bombing__tanzania.jpg

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/docr...--Car-Bomb-Rocks-Twin-Towers/news/0/image.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/Wgy-KDyLr...b77MzdjZB-ZG5f*q9mi*sGFGVlxRoAYPr/usscole.jpg


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:...aPpxyuF_f02VegtcIfFeCW3zDc89t33HW0ZiUM1W4eCkA

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/conten...ineimage.img.503.jpg/1347539518209.cached.jpg

This is blowback,

This is not people around the world just waking up one morning and deciding to just be evil.

These are repercussions of previous tactics and policies throughout the world. I am utterly shocked, utterly astounded that so many Americans today don't even know of some of these happenings.

I hope you enjoy Mr. Romney's plans for Israel. I don't have much more faith in Obama especially after the massive failure with Egypt.

But I pray for the safety of any American's caught living abroad in the coming times.

Let's play this out Yo.

America goes against Isreal and lets Iran blow them off the face of the planet.

Now they want "death to America?"

Dangerous line you are walking there Yo.

Look, I don't want to be in anyone elses business either and I certainly don't want to pay for it and I know for a fact we are paying and being double crossed but you either stand for something or you don't.

PS...thanks for the links, I will take a look.

 

[USAgirl]

I agree with you. It's disgusting they make money killing babies for the women that are too lazy or too stupid to practice safe sex.

That being said, abortion is NEEDED. Plan B is NEEDED. Both Romeny and Ryan have verbally upheld (and in some cases voted for) extremely pro-life laws.

Extremism either way is cruel.

Abortion is in place as a choice for rape, incest and mothers health, the issue is manipulation of a govt and private industry aka planned parenthood using govt money to promote casual abortion as a form of birth control, forcing a company or person to puchase or pay for something they do not support etc etc

And don't even get me started on late term abortion, you want to talk about cruel and extreme?









I will concede that perhaps couseling needs to be manadtory. Maybe these women will have a change of heart, maybe not. In the end it still needs to be their choice.

There are those that dont even want counseling pixie, they basically want woman to be able to get free birth control if they can bother to pick it up and take it and if they don't then you can terminate the pregnancy no matter what month you are in and how developed that baby is and no matter how many times you come in. How many abortions are too many for one woman 1 2 3 4? There are woman that have had multiple and there was no rape, incest or health issue.

Bringing a child into this world that is unwanted and unloved when so many that are already here and that need loving homes is not a responsible act. If the mother feels in her heart adoption is the way to go then I support it, but again, it needs to be her choice.

So every child in adoption should have been terminated by the mother? No one can possible love that child or want it?

Yes there is no doubt in my mind there are adults out there that have been raised with little to no love in their childhood and they have turned out to be good people who do good things. The point I am trying to make is that this should be the mother's choice and that choice should never be taken from her and put into the hands of the government.

what is the mother is making bad choice over and over and over, when do we look after the baby? I don't see it as trying to take away her choice, I see it as educating people to another choice that is not killing a baby when at all possible. And if the govt is demanding by law that tax payers pay for planned parenthood and they perform late term abortions for people who have not been raped, involved in incest or are at risk then havn't we already put the choice in the hands of the govt?


I'm happy for the women that can devote their lives to a severely handicapped child. Some women cannot or do not wish to. Again, this is not your decision or the decision of the government.

If you are asking the govt and tax payer to cover the cost of planned parentood which covers late term abortions then you are OK for the govt paying for that, but not the same money going to people who Would care for a child healthy or not?

What if they cannot communicate? How do you know then? (I'm not saying I know either). A child that sits with no expression drooling for their entire life.... If a woman KNOWS her child will be born with severe defects and may not even survive pregnancy that is her choice. Sometimes death is an act of love.

So first we kill those babies with govt money and then we go and kill old people who sit in old folks homes with drool and poo pants so their wife and children don't have to be sad and we don't bare the cost? But let's house, feed, educate and give a sex change to a killer in jail for life? Wow! What a society.




One can say the same thing to the lives that are saved because of medical intervention.




Yes, yes, it has been questioned. Todd Akin? Paul Ryan? Mitt-Freaking-Romney? a). And even then, Ryan supported a bill that allowed anti-abortion hospitals to refuse emergency abortions. b.) Following is Governor Mitt Romney's message informing the Legislature that he vetoed the emergency contraception bill. To those who believe that life begins at conception, the morning-after pill can destroy the human life that was created at the moment of fertilization.


Todd Akin is an idot and the moment he went on the air and said such nonsense Romney and Ryan were the first to call for him to not just say "i am sorry" but to resign.

As for the bills pixie, after learning more about why people vote for or against a bill at certain times, I have learned how the process works and often it is more likely that Romney or Ryan voted no on a bill that included a line on er abortions because there were 1,500 pages of a left agenda attached to that bill ithat they didn't support for many reasons as in abuse of tax payer dollars.

Of course I do not think all women who have been raped, who are in danger or who have an ill child in their womb have chosen to abort it! All I am saying is that it needs to be the woman's choice. Not a "law."

But the law for abusive abortions often late term and multiple is OK? Is OK to have a law to force a company and all tax payers to have to pay the cost for abortions or birth control?





It IS the issue when the potential leaders of the country have a voting record of extreme pro-life stances.

Romney and Ryan are pretty clear they support a womans choice and the right of a baby, not one over the other. And they want all people to have access to healthcare, they just think there is a better financial path to that without focing people by fine or jail to have it.

good points and good chat pixie:cheers:

ps..I don't know how to use the multi reply set, sorry people.