Obama stands up to McCain




 
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Boots
 
June 20th, 2008  
errol
 
 

Topic: Obama stands up to McCain


Obama is going to make terrorism a big issue of this campaign.

http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=218142
June 20th, 2008  
5.56X45mm
 
 


June 20th, 2008  
errol
 
 
OK, so you won't be voting for Obama.
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Boots
June 20th, 2008  
The Other Guy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by errol
OK, so you won't be voting for Obama.
what clued you in?

and besides, our "friends" Pakistan are harboring the Taliban, our enemies. Some friends...
June 20th, 2008  
Marinerhodes
 
 
Quote:
But Obama linked McCain's national security approach to that of President Bush, calling it "disastrous" and citing the failure to capture bin Laden as evidence.
"The record shows that George Bush and John McCain have been weak on terrorism," Obama told reporters. "Their approach has failed. Because of their policies, we are less safe, less respected and less able to lead the world."
Yet he doesn't (as far as I have seen) offer anything that will tell us what his plans are to revamp these policies. I haven't been following the politics as much this year so I may be entirely wrong. But telling someone they are doing something wrong without telling them how it should/would be done is arrogant by any standard.

Quote:
Asked by a reporter how he would proceed if bin Laden were caught during his presidency, Obama said, "we may not be able to capture him alive" and that he may be killed.
"It does not make sense for me to speculate in terms of what the best approach would be in trying him and bringing him to justice," Obama said.
"I think what would be important would be for us to deal with him in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he's engaged in and not to make him into a martyr."
There is alot said right here about his mindset. He says this and that needs to happen but he has (or appears to have) very little idea on how to accomplish this. Sure, bring in the international scene. Oh yay..Who will preside over the court? Who will recommend the punishment? etc etc. No mention whatsoever of these details. Specualtion indeed.
June 20th, 2008  
mmarsh
 
 
MarinerRhodes

One BIG change is that Obama has said that we would bomb the Taliban held areas in Wiristan Pakistan, even without permission that's something that President Bush and McCain have refused to do. That those terrorist safe areas wouldn't be so safe. That's a departure from the Bush Doctrine which has agreed to tolerate the Taliban safe haven in order to keep Pakistan under Musharaf's fist. If Musharaf is overthrown he would certainly be replaced by a Civilian Democratic leader, one that wont be as easy to manipulate as he has.

The Pakistani cannot be counted on. The Pakistanis have made it clear that they wont hit Islamic extremists unless they pose a DIRECT threat to Musharraf's rule. As long as they dont attempt any crap within Pakistan, they wont be bothered. Thats great for Pakistan, not so good for the rest of the world. The Pakistan military either drags its feet against al-qaeda or colludes with them. Several army units have either refused to obey or defected to al Qaeda when they were ordered to attack.
June 20th, 2008  
Marinerhodes
 
 
Admittedly I have not followed the political arena as closely as I mught. But I seem to remember hearing about him wanting to pull our troops back home. Isn't this contradicting himself? When you bomb an area you will have alot of collateral damage. One of the reasons (I believe) that it has not been done is due to the possible accusations of civilian deaths instead of taliban deaths.
June 20th, 2008  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marinerhodes
Admittedly I have not followed the political arena as closely as I mught. But I seem to remember hearing about him wanting to pull our troops back home. Isn't this contradicting himself? When you bomb an area you will have alot of collateral damage. One of the reasons (I believe) that it has not been done is due to the possible accusations of civilian deaths instead of taliban deaths.
Not exactly...

He wants to withdraw in Iraq, but not from Afghanstan. Unlike someone else i might mention, He hasn't forgotten who really attacked us on 9-11 and it wasn't the Iraqis.

What Obama plans (what he has said during the debates) to do is to pull the troops out of Iraq, let them rest, rebuild, and then send them against the REAL enemy which is al Qaeda and their Taliban allies whom are located in Afghanistan and NW Pakistan.

Afghanstan is the greater danger to America, the Iraqis dont like al Qaeda neither does Iran. There is no way they will be tolerated once we exit, despite conflicts amongst Sunni and Shiite Iraqis are a modern, well educated, civilized people. Before the war they had one of the highest level of education amongst Arab countries.

Afghanistan is exactly the opposite, its the Wild West. They have nothing but worlords, terrorists and criminal organisations. It is a very dangerous place, and you cannot ignore it and hope for the best which is precisely what the Bush Doctrine has called for.
June 20th, 2008  
AikiRooster
 
 
Hahahahaha, great pictures 5.56.
June 20th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
Mmarsh, the part I disagree is that although it probably wasn't wise to go into Iraq in the first place, a pullout now could mean creating yet another Afghanistan, except with oil and educated people. I know Al Qaeda isn't exactly a household name in Iraq but it wasn't really a household name in Afghanistan either. Afghans disliked the idea of foreign fighters coming into their land and calling the shots... I think that's a sentiment shared by many of the tribes. However, the Taliban controlled Afghanistan and were eventually walked all over by Al Qaeda. Plus remember that Al Qaeda isn't the only terrorist organization out there. It's just the one that hits the front page.
As for Pakistan and Afghanistan... the book "Ghost Wars" does a pretty good job of explaining the complexity of the whole situation. If you haven't read it yet, read it now. Growing up in Southeast Asia, it wasn't quite what they had there but I've seen some sh*t that's pretty close in terms of the weird factor. It's certainly believable.
And guys, remember that because we are allied or something doesn't mean we're friends as in me hanging out with buddies. It's a business interaction between two entities where each party will try to get the most from the other while giving up the least. Not being able to hit the western tribal areas of Pakistan is like how Cambodia and Laos were off limits in Vietnam.
 


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