Obama is looking good in the polls

The Other Guy said:
1-Not doing so hasn't gotten us anywhere. I mean, look at this place.

2-Tomorrow starts a new week. New polls.
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1) Things have been quiet precisely because people were sick of the Republican propaganda network so it has gone into hiding but I can assure you that replacing it with a Democratic propaganda network will receive the same unfriendly response.

It is possible to discuss politics on its merit and avoid all the cliches.

2) The problem with polls is that they are only a snapshot of the community used to obtain them, for example the results you get from 100 households will vary depending on the time and the day they you poll them, add to that the rural/urban separation and socioeconomic variation in peoples choices and you will quickly discover that polls are almost completely irrelevant.
 
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The comments on this thread have been mild Monty. No one has sunk to low levels of abuse or "country bashing".
 
True but it is starting to get a bit thick with Democratic rhetoric which is no different to Republican crap we had 2 weeks ago.

I really would like to just be able to discuss issues without the garbage that comes with it.

Yeah I realise its probably asking too much but there is no advantage in a discussion forum that only has one point of view.
 
MontyB said:
The problem with polls is that they are only a snapshot of the community used to obtain them, for example the results you get from 100 households will vary depending on the time and the day they you poll them, add to that the rural/urban separation and socioeconomic variation in peoples choices and you will quickly discover that polls are almost completely irrelevant.
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However the polls are the subject of this thread, so with new ones we should be able to get more out of it.

The Democrats didn't put Sarah Palin out there! She deserves all the bagging she gets for her inept interviews without an auto-cue! Elections are a numbers game and if the Republicans stuffed up with Sarah P, bad luck.

That interview with Katie Couric was a shocker (thanks TOG). I reckon most of us could have done better. WATCH THE LANGUAGE.YOU MIGHT DO WELL TO REREAD THE ROE'S/03
Interesting to see how Joe Biden handles her.

Monty, I just can't see anyone here descending yet to the silly levels of the "Republican Rump" on this forum. We have just pointed out some of the absurdities of the Republican efforts so far.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1845116,00.html?cnn=yes

The following was taken from the link above. It uses the abbreviated term BS which stands for a phrase that some people may find offensive but means "talking garbage". Most seasoned politicians can do this with skill on most subjects. Unfortunately Sarah Palin has been caught way out of her depth, particularly on the area of foreign policy. Remember, "Old Man" McCain picked her. How good is his judgement??

"A number of commentators, including the Atlantic's James Fallows and Slate's Christopher Beam, have echoed Beam's assessment that Palin resembled a "high schooler trying to BS her way through a book report," which is an insult to both high schoolers and BS. Palin's answers were hesitant, convoluted and, at times — like when she appeared to suggest that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin might be preparing a one-man airborne invasion of Alaska — downright loony."


In search of Sarah Palin -

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1845139,00.html

It just gets more painful for Johnny and Sarah. It's going to be a tough 5 weeks.

Mod Warning: As I'm sure you know, back to back posting is not allowed on the forums.
 
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No personal insult or bashing intended but I'd bet that I'm not the only American here who feels this way. The last time I checked, I didn't see where Kiwis or any other non-Americans got a vote so it really makes no difference at all who you back. You may as well back Putin or Queen Elizabeth. I know whatever happens in the US affects the whole world and all that but you guys get seriously carried away.
Now, that being said, after the VP candidates' debate, the impression I came away with was that Sarah Palin held her own against a seasoned Washington insider. She came across as a fresh new and honest face in the race. I don't know if some people are afraid to have a woman so close to holding the office of Commander in Chief but I am not one of them.
I'm sure you're all going to jump on me because I don't support the Dem ticket, Go ahead, knock yourselves out, but I don't think this country needs a socialistic leaning President at this time. Sure we've got problems but to have both the legislative and executive branches controlled by the same party is a recipe for disaster. It always has been and this time would be no different, at least as I see it.
Our democrat controlled legislature didn't lift a finger to help out in this current financial situation. To blame everything on the Bush administration is nothing but spewing vile paranoia instead of taking an objective look at how things have gotten to this point. If we did we'd see that there's more than enough blame to go around to both parties. I mean the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are at fault as muchif not more than anyone. So what's Obama's solution? More taxes and no leadership are not the answer.
Hate to break up the slam fest here but, like it or not, that's my take on this. The asbestos suit on, I await your flames.
I know you don't hear from me very often but, if some of you guys would stop gang slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you then maybe people with other opinions would feel freer to post here. I don't know, just a crazy thought.
Mods if you guys feel this post is too strong, I apologize but I felt it had to be said.
 
Mighty Mouse said:
No personal insult or bashing intended but I'd bet that I'm not the only American here who feels this way. The last time I checked, I didn't see where Kiwis or any other non-Americans got a vote so it really makes no difference at all who you back. You may as well back Putin or Queen Elizabeth. I know whatever happens in the US affects the whole world and all that but you guys get seriously carried away.
Now, that being said, after the VP candidates' debate, the impression I came away with was that Sarah Palin held her own against a seasoned Washington insider. She came across as a fresh new and honest face in the race. I don't know if some people are afraid to have a woman so close to holding the office of Commander in Chief but I am not one of them.
I'm sure you're all going to jump on me because I don't support the Dem ticket, Go ahead, knock yourselves out, but I don't think this country needs a socialistic leaning President at this time. Sure we've got problems but to have both the legislative and executive branches controlled by the same party is a recipe for disaster. It always has been and this time would be no different, at least as I see it.
Our democrat controlled legislature didn't lift a finger to help out in this current financial situation. To blame everything on the Bush administration is nothing but spewing vile paranoia instead of taking an objective look at how things have gotten to this point. If we did we'd see that there's more than enough blame to go around to both parties. I mean the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are at fault as muchif not more than anyone. So what's Obama's solution? More taxes and no leadership are not the answer.
Hate to break up the slam fest here but, like it or not, that's my take on this. The asbestos suit on, I await your flames.
I know you don't hear from me very often but, if some of you guys would stop gang slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you then maybe people with other opinions would feel freer to post here. I don't know, just a crazy thought.
Mods if you guys feel this post is too strong, I apologize but I felt it had to be said.
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I think Errol is perfectly aware that he doesnt vote in American elections. But that doesn't mean he doesnt have the right to express his opinion and that he can support WHOMEVER he chooses in the White House race. Its called Free Speech.

If you did any checking here, you'd have noticed we have some European members that are supporting McCain and yet you didnt bother to tell them off like you did Errol. Which means that it isnt the fact that Errol is a non-American thats involved in the American political process, but rather he's not supporting your candidate thats got you all hot and bothered.

Besides, what you are saying cuts both ways. If you really believe that then you'd agree that Americans should express no opinion and STFU in other countries elections, especially when it comes to ELECTED leaders we dont like (Hugo Chavez, Chirac, Morales, Ahmadinejad, etc...).

Personally I admire the fact that foreignors get involved in our elections, I wish more Americans would involve themselves in other countries elections, that way they wouldnt be so ignorant about world affairs.

And BTW, I dont mind a single bit that people from other countries actively support McCain.

As for Palin, it would figure that you would make your opinion about her based on the fact that all she did was repeat GOP talking points. However when you take away the script, the crib notes, and other cheats and actually ask her a serious non-scripted question you get a reponse like this meaningless babble that was obvious to anyone that she had no clue of what she is talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heAibiOJ5NE
 
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Mighty Mouse said:
No personal insult or bashing intended but I'd bet that I'm not the only American here who feels this way. The last time I checked, I didn't see where Kiwis or any other non-Americans got a vote so it really makes no difference at all who you back. You may as well back Putin or Queen Elizabeth. I know whatever happens in the US affects the whole world and all that but you guys get seriously carried away.
Now, that being said, after the VP candidates' debate, the impression I came away with was that Sarah Palin held her own against a seasoned Washington insider. She came across as a fresh new and honest face in the race. I don't know if some people are afraid to have a woman so close to holding the office of Commander in Chief but I am not one of them.
I'm sure you're all going to jump on me because I don't support the Dem ticket, Go ahead, knock yourselves out, but I don't think this country needs a socialistic leaning President at this time. Sure we've got problems but to have both the legislative and executive branches controlled by the same party is a recipe for disaster. It always has been and this time would be no different, at least as I see it.
Our democrat controlled legislature didn't lift a finger to help out in this current financial situation. To blame everything on the Bush administration is nothing but spewing vile paranoia instead of taking an objective look at how things have gotten to this point. If we did we'd see that there's more than enough blame to go around to both parties. I mean the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are at fault as muchif not more than anyone. So what's Obama's solution? More taxes and no leadership are not the answer.
Hate to break up the slam fest here but, like it or not, that's my take on this. The asbestos suit on, I await your flames.
I know you don't hear from me very often but, if some of you guys would stop gang slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you then maybe people with other opinions would feel freer to post here. I don't know, just a crazy thought.
Mods if you guys feel this post is too strong, I apologize but I felt it had to be said.
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We've been over this before. Free speech. This forum isn't even run by an American thus those outside the US are certainly welcome to post their thoughts on this (or any) thread.
 
Mighty Mouse said:
, Hate to break up the slam fest here but, like it or not, that's my take on this. The asbestos suit on, I await your flames.
I know you don't hear from me very often but, if some of you guys would stop gang slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you then maybe people with other opinions would feel freer to post here. I don't know, just a crazy thought.
Mods if you guys feel this post is too strong, I apologize but I felt it had to be said.
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Well, I must say that it is always interesting to hear an opposing view Mighty Mouse. Too much one way traffic is always a bore, ain't it?
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Mighty Mouse said:
No personal insult or bashing intended but I'd bet that I'm not the only American here who feels this way. The last time I checked, I didn't see where Kiwis or any other non-Americans got a vote so it really makes no difference at all who you back. You may as well back Putin or Queen Elizabeth. I know whatever happens in the US affects the whole world and all that but you guys get seriously carried away.
Now, that being said, after the VP candidates' debate, the impression I came away with was that Sarah Palin held her own against a seasoned Washington insider. She came across as a fresh new and honest face in the race. I don't know if some people are afraid to have a woman so close to holding the office of Commander in Chief but I am not one of them.
I'm sure you're all going to jump on me because I don't support the Dem ticket, Go ahead, knock yourselves out, but I don't think this country needs a socialistic leaning President at this time. Sure we've got problems but to have both the legislative and executive branches controlled by the same party is a recipe for disaster. It always has been and this time would be no different, at least as I see it.
Our democrat controlled legislature didn't lift a finger to help out in this current financial situation. To blame everything on the Bush administration is nothing but spewing vile paranoia instead of taking an objective look at how things have gotten to this point. If we did we'd see that there's more than enough blame to go around to both parties. I mean the likes of Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are at fault as muchif not more than anyone. So what's Obama's solution? More taxes and no leadership are not the answer.
Hate to break up the slam fest here but, like it or not, that's my take on this. The asbestos suit on, I await your flames.
I know you don't hear from me very often but, if some of you guys would stop gang slamming anyone who doesn't agree with you then maybe people with other opinions would feel freer to post here. I don't know, just a crazy thought.
Mods if you guys feel this post is too strong, I apologize but I felt it had to be said.
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I think you're well suited to this forum. You should feel right at home.:) Sarah Palin sure gives us plenty of laughs in Australia.:)
 
Well, personally I feel that the situation has been overtaken by the financial crisis, such an enormous eruption.

All bets are off, it seems to me. I guess folks will go for what they consider to be the safest haven in the storm, short term.
 
Yeah unless there's some kind of last minute deal I can only see Obama winning this one.
You know it really makes me wonder, who the heck wants to be the POTUS anyway?
 
All it takes is one slip of the lip and a 10 point lead can evaporate really quickly, I wouldn't all this one just yet especially with debates still to go.
 
From what I have been reading, McCain is down to his last card: The smear campaign. Since they have the time to debate Obama on the issues and the economy hurting the campaign this might be his best shot.

Personally I don't think it will work. First of all people are tired of the mudslinging, secondly people want to hear answers to current problems, and lastly it just looks like McCain is desperate and people know it. The believability factor wont be there.

Based on the Lukewarm response, I think most of the GOP higher-ups has written off 2008 and are focusing on how to best hinder the Obama Administration. McCain is a good man but a bad candidate. Too old (it shows), too out of touch (i.e "The Fundamentals of the economy are strong"), and I think he made a terrible choice in his VP Pick. Although she did rally the base, Palin has been nothing but dead weight on his campaign. Too extreme, too inexperianced and frankly too ignorant...The woman simply doesnt know anything outside of Alaska.

I simply dont understand what drove McCain to listen to Karl Rove and the Far Right, when they discouraged him from picking Joe Lieberman. He didnt listen them in the past, and he doesnt even like them much. Its a mystery.
 
Unfortunately I think McCain is 8 years past his "use by date" and Palin was a poor choice, it would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out had he won the 2000 nomination.
 
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