Obama on insurance companies

You don't have to go that far back.
In the US, the fire departments were privately owned as well and they'd fight over who would put the fire out while the fire kept burning.
They put an end to that nonsense for a reason.
 
George said:
In the Roman Empire the Fire Dept would come to a fire & decide what the bill would be, pay up or they let the building burn down.
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Perhaps that explains why Rome nearly burnt to the ground under Emporer Nero, and that's the example you want to copy???? I think I can speak for most people about how that's a perfect example of how NOT to run things. I mean don't you think it speaks volumes that modern fire departments are not privatized? Like Health-care, or law enforcement that is an area that should not, nor ever should be privatized.
 
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George said:
Polling shows that well over half of the people polled ranked thier health Insurance as "good to excellant". As long as the majority have that opinion ObamaCare will have problems. So were going to see Obama & his coconspirators in the Main Stream Media demonize the Insurance Compnys untill they convince the majority that they were wrong about insurance.
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I'd say that that poll was conducted by the Insurance Companies most folks I know say theirs suck, or come close to sucking, I know mine sucks sweaty monkey balls.

I don't agree with much of anything the Messiah does but he's right about insurance companies sucking the money and life outta John Q Public.
 
How soon we forget that the Democrats helped the push for HMOs. They worked out real well, didn't they, just as the Dems expected. Everything that happens is part of thier plan for nationalized health care, sooner or later. The more iritated the people get with things, the more it plays into thier hands. Things that could be done...Allow companys to sell across State Lines. One problem nobody mentions is State mandated coverage. All sorts of mandates, many by age group.
 
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How soon we forget that the Democrats helped the push for HMOs. They worked out real well, didn't they, just as the Dems expected. Everything that happens is part of thier plan for nationalized health care, sooner or later. The more iritated the people get with things, the more it plays into thier hands. Things that could be done...Allow companys to sell across State Lines. One problem nobody mentions is State mandated coverage. All sorts of mandates, many by age group.
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Sorry but the HMO act was signed by Richard Nixon in 1973. It was Ted Kennedy that pushed for a government back system. Ill agree that the inability to purchase out of state insurance is wrong, but that's a minor point. Ill give the GOP and nixon the benefit of the doubt that they could foresee the vast system of abuse that would follow.
 
mmarsh said:
Sorry but the HMO act was signed by Richard Nixon in 1973. It was Ted Kennedy that pushed for a government back system. Ill agree that the inability to purchase out of state insurance is wrong, but that's a minor point. Ill give the GOP and nixon the benefit of the doubt that they could foresee the vast system of abuse that would follow.
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Perhaps, but the Dems really pushed them in the 90s.
 
mmarsh said:
There are a few dems like Max Baucus who do want it to fail, but then old Max has recieved almost $2 Million in donations from insurance companies to date.
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Can you please provide a source for this.
Thanks
 
Redleg said:
Can you please provide a source for this.
Thanks
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Just to speed things along I think it is part of this...

When Baucus ran for his sixth term last year, his campaign raised $11.6 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Nearly half of the funds came from out-of-state donors, including millions from health care and other industries overseen by Finance and Baucus' other committees.

Just 5 percent of Baucus' re-election funds came from Montana donors.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106655060


Or

As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus's political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year's reform debate.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/20/AR2009072003363.html

I have no idea who NPR are but it was the first clear piece of writing that popped up when I Googled him.

I think we can all accept that he has received a considerable sum on money from various insurance companies or is a full financial audit required?

Sorry if I am a little snippy but it took less than 5 mins to Google this data, I really don't understand the difficulty in doing a little leg work ourselves as it provides a far greater volume of information than relying on one persons links.
 
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MontyB said:
Just to speed things along I think it is part of this...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106655060


Or

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/20/AR2009072003363.html

I have no idea who NPR are but it was the first clear piece of writing that popped up when I Googled him.

I think we can all accept that he has received a considerable sum on money from various insurance companies or is a full financial audit required?

Sorry if I am a little snippy but it took less than 5 mins to Google this data, I really don't understand the difficulty in doing a little leg work ourselves as it provides a far greater volume of information than relying on one persons links.
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NPR is National Public Radio generally considered to be a left wing biased organization.
 
George said:
NPR is National Public Radio generally considered to be a left wing biased organization.
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Actually NPR is apolitical, thats why its "public". Moreover just because something is left-wing doesn't make it false. The only people who would want you to believe that is FOXNEWS, as they represent the otherside...

Redleg

Montyb beat me to it but here's another...

http://www.billingsgazette.com/news...cle_82f5d0c6-2998-5977-b58c-3e30df5ccfef.html

Let me quote

"In the past six years, nearly one-fourth of every dime raised by the Montana Democrat (edit: Baucus) and his political action committee has come from groups and individuals associated with drug companies, insurers, hospitals, medical supply firms, health service companies and other health professionals. These donations total about $3.4 million, or $1,500 a day, every day, from January 2003 through 2008."

So actually my information was slightly out of date, it wasnt 2 Million it was actually up to 3.4 Million. I regret the error. People in Montana should be proud to know how truly BOUGHT their senator is...
 
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George said:
NPR is National Public Radio generally considered to be a left wing biased organization.
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You know this is getting a little silly.
First you (not you specifically) ask for supporting evidence.
Then you refuse to believe any of the evidence without supporting counter evidence of your own.

Anyways the Washington Post is not known as a major liberal newspaper.
 
George said:
NPR is National Public Radio generally considered to be a left wing biased organization.
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You forgot socialist.

In other news, Baucus has received large sums of money from insurance companies, according to multiple sources. Now, perhaps you could say he has a reason to be against this system that could hurt contributions to him?
 
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Either way we go the insurance remake is going to make some people rich and some people poor or dead, always has, always will, just lie the auto cash for cars, they said it was for us, bu if you noticed everybody that took part in CARS helped bail out the us auto industry.

If we can't all trust the govt, then its time to disband the United States , pull out the paper called the Constitution, read it and start over.
 
mmarsh said:
There are a few dems like Max Baucus who do want it to fail, but then old Max has recieved almost $2 Million in donations from insurance companies to date.
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mmarsh said:
Redleg

Montyb beat me to it but here's another...

http://www.billingsgazette.com/news...cle_82f5d0c6-2998-5977-b58c-3e30df5ccfef.html

Let me quote

"In the past six years, nearly one-fourth of every dime raised by the Montana Democrat (edit: Baucus) and his political action committee has come from groups and individuals associated with drug companies, insurers, hospitals, medical supply firms, health service companies and other health professionals. These donations total about $3.4 million, or $1,500 a day, every day, from January 2003 through 2008."

So actually my information was slightly out of date, it wasnt 2 Million it was actually up to 3.4 Million. I regret the error. People in Montana should be proud to know how truly BOUGHT their senator is...
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Your statement was that Senator Baucus had received 2 million from insurance companies. Your source states he only received "$784,000 from insurance"and that was over 5 years(2003 thru 2008). Not a excessively large donation for a US Senator and not the 3.4 million you now claim.

In short you have not made your implied point that Senator Baucus was bought and paid for by the insurance companies.

The source you supplied also questions President Obama's commitment to reform.
I quote from your source:
"Supporters of national health insurance are even less optimistic, noting how Baucus, Obama and leaders in Congress won't even consider their proposal, which they believe would have broad public support."

The question of health care reform is a lot more complex than "bad politicians"(owned by insurance companies) and "good politicians". The public wants to know how it is going to be payed for, this has not been made clear.
 
wolfen said:
Either way we go the insurance remake is going to make some people rich and some people poor or dead, always has, always will, just lie the auto cash for cars, they said it was for us, bu if you noticed everybody that took part in CARS helped bail out the us auto industry.

If we can't all trust the govt, then its time to disband the United States , pull out the paper called the Constitution, read it and start over.
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If I win the lottery I'll buy you an island.
 
The point is he's been sponsored by insurance companies either directly or indirectly.
Your attempt at using technicalities to derail someone's argument that has merit without providing evidence of your own is pathetic.
 
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