Dean
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OK, here's my take. 5.56x45 came up with some good points, so I'll take the time to... well... educate the misguided young lad!!!http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
5.56x45 stated: Number three should be replaced with the Mauser.
I tend to agree, except that the Moisin Nagant had such a great reputation as an accurate rifle right out of the box. The Finns, in particular, made the Moisin Nagant into one of the most feared weapons of the time. While the Mauser design was and is a classic rifle design, I do not see the Mauser as having the same feared reputation as the M-N.
Hell, the H&K G3 is nothing but a copy of the Spanish CETME, which was a design by Mauser employees during WWII.
You are right, and thanks, because very few people know that. But it was HK, not CETME, who made the battle rifle that was adopted by about 50 countries. Another record that speaks for itself.
Lee Enfield SMLE Mark 4 was not a major improvement. It was nothing but is simplified Lee Enfield SMLE rifle, also it's action has not been adopted by any other weapon system.
Yes, but the Mark 4 was the weapon adopted in 1917, and it remained the British Commonwealth rifle of choice right into the 1950's, when it was replaced by the FN-FAL. Very few rifles can claim that kind of longevity, and that is why it is on the list. In addition, it was exceedingly accurate.
In this discussion, I have not talked about pistols or submachineguns as I did not want to make the same mistake as Discovery Channel in comparing different types of weapons. Later on, if this goes on, I may start other threads along the same lines, but that is a "we'll see" at the moment.
Dean.
5.56x45 stated: Number three should be replaced with the Mauser.
I tend to agree, except that the Moisin Nagant had such a great reputation as an accurate rifle right out of the box. The Finns, in particular, made the Moisin Nagant into one of the most feared weapons of the time. While the Mauser design was and is a classic rifle design, I do not see the Mauser as having the same feared reputation as the M-N.
Hell, the H&K G3 is nothing but a copy of the Spanish CETME, which was a design by Mauser employees during WWII.
You are right, and thanks, because very few people know that. But it was HK, not CETME, who made the battle rifle that was adopted by about 50 countries. Another record that speaks for itself.
Lee Enfield SMLE Mark 4 was not a major improvement. It was nothing but is simplified Lee Enfield SMLE rifle, also it's action has not been adopted by any other weapon system.
Yes, but the Mark 4 was the weapon adopted in 1917, and it remained the British Commonwealth rifle of choice right into the 1950's, when it was replaced by the FN-FAL. Very few rifles can claim that kind of longevity, and that is why it is on the list. In addition, it was exceedingly accurate.
In this discussion, I have not talked about pistols or submachineguns as I did not want to make the same mistake as Discovery Channel in comparing different types of weapons. Later on, if this goes on, I may start other threads along the same lines, but that is a "we'll see" at the moment.
Dean.