Norwegian radar tied to US defence - Page 2




 
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October 22nd, 2005  
Rabs
 
 
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It makes me shiver, the Northern Flank of NATO is thin enough as it is...
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While i agree with your post, i dont think you have to worry about T-80s rolling through your streets anytime soon.
October 22nd, 2005  
Redleg
 
 
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Originally Posted by Rabs
While i agree with your post, i dont think you have to worry about T-80s rolling through your streets anytime soon.
No, but there could be other things to worry about...
http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...ic.php?t=16533
October 23rd, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
I remember reading the email about the radar installation being complete and operational but what they sent us didn't say anything about the MDS. I think I still have the "brochure" that we got, I'll see if I can find it and also if it is classified, if not, I'll scan it in and post it.

The trawler is just capturing a signature of the transmitter, if it is transmitting, but I think it is a high gain receiver. They monitored our missile sites for all three years I was in the ADA. Occasionally, an attempt was made at a jamming sweep but we would just lower power until the signal was in the grass and they would leave.
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October 23rd, 2005  
Locke
 
 
what international laws does russia say the installation breaks?

and like america has typically given a rats about international law, they do pretty much what they please. admitedly it doesnt help that some laws are rather fuzzy and ill-defined.

re rabs comment on defending yourself. well, doesn't australia have a right to defend itself? do we put radar instalations in other countries?

rather than countering the arguement that the installation breaks international law, it seems its more convenient to throw forth the moralist word that at least it is doing some good and saving lifes. does that mean we should nuke the middle east. cuz i mean, it would stop them killing each other eh?
October 23rd, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
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Originally Posted by Locke
what international laws does russia say the installation breaks?

and like america has typically given a rats about international law, they do pretty much what they please. admitedly it doesnt help that some laws are rather fuzzy and ill-defined.

re rabs comment on defending yourself. well, doesn't australia have a right to defend itself? do we put radar instalations in other countries?

rather than countering the arguement that the installation breaks international law, it seems its more convenient to throw forth the moralist word that at least it is doing some good and saving lifes. does that mean we should nuke the middle east. cuz i mean, it would stop them killing each other eh?
Locke, if I were to guess, I'd guess you were an isolationist. That's what you guys said about the US before WWII. You seemed to appreciate a little intervention then. What happened? Do you think we can build fences high enough to keep us safe from a rogue state? All boundaries are imaginary now, it happens, adapt or die is the amendment to the law of nature.
October 23rd, 2005  
Rabs
 
 
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re rabs comment on defending yourself. well, doesn't australia have a right to defend itself? do we put radar instalations in other countries?
Well im sure you could if you wanted to. Do you need to, hell no becaue you rely on the United States for your defense needs, agasint china and russia, india and any other of your nuclear armed neighbros. They know attacking Australia with missles would be like attacking the united states. Not only does australia fall under this protective umbrella, most of the world does. So maybe its in the best interest of the world if we have the ablitity to detect missles.
October 23rd, 2005  
sunb!
 
 
One of the major issues here is that we joined NATO under the circumstances of not allowing any foreign military bases, installations or nuclear weapon stockpiles on our soil. If our former defence minister knew something about this radar site then we may have violated a nearly 60 years old defence policy - and our role as a peace negotiating NATO member should be seriously reconsidered.

The cold war is over, but the situation in the north is the same. There are even a still continuing border dispute where large resources of fish, oil and natural gas are issues. The trawler incident is only one of the many that have occoured. Russian trawlers are on occasion arrested and brought to Norwegian port for further investigation.

The NATO nothern flank is still one of the heaviest military zones in the world - of course USA wants to know what's going on just as much as our own intelligence service.

Another interesting issue is that a recent questionaire disovered that 10% of the population fear a Russian attack in the north - 4% more than previous years and the support for continued NATO membership have grown as well (unsure of the numbers, but I believe it is up to 67% or so).

It may see calm on the surface but below there are so many unsolved questions... Unfortunately...
October 24th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
Sunb, how sure are you that the radar belongs to the United States? The Norwegian Government may have purchased a brand new information system to keep tabs on Russia. The information I received was a sale of a radar system to Norway, not a lease/lend deal. Raytheon just doesn't do that. If this is a US DOD installed system, nothing would be mentioned about who built and installed or is servicing a radar system.

In my opinion, Russia isn't about to nuke anyone that they can bluff. Nuclear blackmail built the Soviet Union. The threat alone is usually enough for any Nation they have some design on. NATO membership is a nice ace up the sleeve when the Big Bear gets tired of Norway or anyone else boarding their vessels for whatever reason.
October 24th, 2005  
sunb!
 
 
I am not sure that the radar belongs to the US - but your men have stated that it is US equipment, something our guys denies - honestly I give a rats on the ownership.

The political discussion is of great interest, perhaps on the domestic frontier only but you see the big picture?
October 24th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
You think Russia might try to guzzle up scandinavia? Is that it or am I confused?