Norwegian C-130 J Hercules missing over Sweden - Page 2

March 16th, 2012  
Heat signatures in that area by now might just as well be reindeer or search patrols.

And a Sea-King being repelled by weather tells a grim story about the situation.
Most of those helicopters are of my age, but comparable to a flying mixture of tractor and bus, sturdy and stabile much like their crews.

And weather being bad, I've been told the Kebnekaise massive isn't less horrendous..

They're doing whatever they can on the Swedish side, while on the Norwegian side they are struggeling to keep volunteers from crossing the border and entering the search area.
Red Cross alpine groups has been on alert since yesterday, one group is on permanent stand-by on the border by Bjørnefjel ready to cross into Sweden when given permission to proceed.

I don't envy the CO who's tasked with keeping the 5000+ troops on exercise close to the border in leash, suppose there's a growing restlessness among those who can't do anything else than sit tight and hope.
March 16th, 2012  
Originally Posted by 84RFK
As the C130J was taking part in a training excercise they may have practiced flying "tactical" in order to make a low radar profile by following the valleys and hiding among the peaks, the last radar contact was 14.55 local time near the summit of Kebnekaise in really bad weather.
That was my first thought as well, since they didn't send a Mayday and the distress radiobeacon hadn't been activated.

But according to the Air Force today they should have been flying at least 1800m above the mountain area, at 13.000 feet, so it's still really a mystery what may have happened there...

The names of the missing crew has been made official today:
Bjørn Haug (40), Siw Robertsen (45), Steinar Utne (35), Ståle Garberg (42) og Truls Audun Ørpen (46)
And below here is a picture of the area where the plane is missing,
so you can imagine how difficult the search and rescue work is in really bad weather with heavy winds, snow and freezing temperatures there...

Google Maps of the area:

March 16th, 2012  
Some Swedish newssource reported that the plane was last sighted on a military radar in a height some 100-200 meters higher than the summit of the north peak of Kebnekaise, but just prior to that a civillian radar picked up a signal at an even higher altitude.
That could indicate a rapid descent, possibly due to turbulence, but nobody knows for sure.

Can only keep our fingers crossed here.
March 16th, 2012  
You chaps are in my thoughts
March 16th, 2012  
Here's hoping that the SAR mission will be successful...and the R won't turn into "Recovery".
March 16th, 2012  
Thank's, we need som optimism here.

First of all I must correct myself, in my last post I mentioned the plane descending, but the reality is that the readings showed that the aircraft was actually climbing, but still near the summit of the Kebnekaise massive and just some few hundred meters above the highest point.

According to Swedish authorities the wind was meassured up to 250 km/h or 400 miles pr. hour in the area around the peaks, that's a pretty brutal hurricane++.

Earlier today one of the searchplanes reported that they had spotted a glimpse of orange about the height of 1800 meters through a small opening in the overcast, but was unable to pinpoint the location, take any pictures, or describe it more accurately.
In best case we're talking about a signal blanket spread out on the ground, but it's more likely to be a life-raft or other sea-rescue device that opens automaticly.

Latest TV reports came through, some vague reports of metal debris on both sides of the ridge near the summit.
I'l be back.
March 16th, 2012  
Originally Posted by 84RFK
Heat signatures in that area by now might just as well be reindeer or search patrols.

Perhaps reindeers.
The search patrols are GPS fixed to avoid just this sort of missmatch with contacts that will use up valuable time.

Why would heat signatures not indicate survivors?
There are several ways a human being can survive in these extreme weather conditions even if the chances are dropping exponentionally with time passing.
IF they survived the crash they may very well be alive still.

My sources tells me they probably hit "Drakryggen".
That terrain are hostile on the best of days.
Never mind at hurricane winds.

This sort of thing shouldn´t be possible if you fly on TFR.(Wich the J variant are fitted with)
Chances are they have been flying it on manual override and gotten sucked down by downdraft over the ridge.

Search patrols in the area have got sufficient endurance untill Sunday.

KJ sends..

Edit to add:
The terrain around this area are often used by Subarctic warfare school.
The first responders and a few SF Teams were in the area rapidly but the weather make the search hard as it has to be done the the old manual way on foot and scooters.
No low level flying over the ridges has been possible.

Parts of the wreckage after the C-130J has been found on both sides of "Drakryggen".

My own conclusion:
We´ll be hardpressed to find anyone alive as the crash itself seems to have been violent enough to send wreckage over the summit of Drakryggen.

I hope to be wrong, but there it is..

Air assets in the area now are:
Mungo 41, US Hercules.
Saint 44, Norwegian Orion.
Dusty 311, Swedish Hkp 15.

At 30 min ready are a Swedish SuperPuma and a Norwegian Sea king.

AWACS are flying overwatch untill 24.00 Zulu+1
March 16th, 2012  
Originally Posted by KJ
Why would heat signatures not indicate survivors?
Mainly beccause any surviviors would follow standard procedure and take cover for the elements, utilizing tents, sleepingbags, and heatreflecting blankets in order to avoid exposure.
Not likely to make fire in the surroundings of a plane full tanked with jet-fuel either.

I must admit that Drakryggen struck me as a possibility too when I was looking at hte maps and sat-photos last night, and your theories about the sucktion over such a ridge sounds all too plausible.

The second last radar reading indicated a maximum height of 60 meters higher than the summit of Kebnekaise, about 7200 feet, the last reading was somewhere near 7600 feet I believe.
Kebnekaise should be about 7010 feet...not much clearance...

And the news about debris on both sides of the ridge Drakryggen (Dragons-Ridge) doesn't sound too good.

OK, Swedish ground personel has found some padding and a type of velcroband smelling of kerosine or jet-fuel.
They've declared a crash-site according to the news.
March 17th, 2012  
Originally Posted by AFSteliga
Here's hoping that the SAR mission will be successful...and the R won't turn into "Recovery".
I'm afraid that is has changed from rescue to recovery now.....

They have found the wreckage and it seems like they've hit the mountainside with high speed, thousands of parts has been found on both sides of this top now.

We've still not lost hope of finding survivors, but as you can see from this pictures the chances are pretty slim now....

Google maps:

March 17th, 2012  
A released picture taken by a Norwegian SOF operator showing parts of the wreckage..


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