Ninjas the old tactics vs modern terrorist threat - Page 4




 
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December 24th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
They killed themselves because everyone, if the enemy MUST and absolutely MUST have this information, will break.
December 24th, 2004  
Kinection
 
The military doesn't train the soldiers to withold all information, people that have information of that importance usually have been trained with ways to keep those secrets safe however. That may of course, include killing themselves.

Normal soldiers on the other hand are taught not to withold information but to live and endear torture and capture.
December 24th, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
A ninja had no family. He had no name and his identity was considered the least important part of him.
He had a house he was from, even if the enemy didnt know it the buyer and house woudl know he betrayed them.
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December 24th, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by Kinection
Modern day soldiers are not told to seppuku themselves when interrogated. Soldiers go through a camp where they learn the proper techniques these days.
Yes but this was a last ditch thing , like cyanide pills.


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I'm talking about guns. Arrows aren't the best weapons for long range shooting, or for CQB.
Well this is talking about a person when guns didnt exist. If this was a modern day ninja then he would be trained in that and would probably be a marksman.

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We have snipers that do that now, what's the difference?
Can a sniper mingle in with the crowd and have the abilitly to dissepear, they where great mercenaries.

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What does this mean?
The larger the team, the more chance of the mission being given away by choice or by accident.

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That doesn't apply to modern day situations, we wouldn't have "families." In this sense, it would be replaced by a country, but then again, all SF soldiers fight for their country and wouldn't want their country to lose face either.
Back then and still today loseing face in asia is valued more highly than in the western face. The ninja would rather die than lose face to his family or replaced by unit. These ninja's didnt really belong to a country in reality but to their families.
December 24th, 2004  
devilwasp
 
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Originally Posted by Kinection
The military doesn't train the soldiers to withold all information, people that have information of that importance usually have been trained with ways to keep those secrets safe however. That may of course, include killing themselves.

Normal soldiers on the other hand are taught not to withold information but to live and endear torture and capture.
A ninja is not a normal soldier
December 24th, 2004  
Kinection
 
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Yes but this was a last ditch thing , like cyanide pills.
Of course it's a llast ditch attempt. I'm comparing them to Ninjas and how they use suicide. I hope you are not infering that ninjas kill themselves when it's uneeded?

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Well this is talking about a person when guns didnt exist. If this was a modern day ninja then he would be trained in that and would probably be a marksman.
Modern day special forces train hard, and they train long. They shoot A LOT to keep up their shooting abilities. That's a lot a Ninja has to do, especially since they would have to do more (train up their Ninja skills). The Ninja mentioned in the show was probably older than the SEAL team members. Military units don't tend to have too many old people. A Ninja master would have to train for many many years (*note* old) to get to a skill level equal to that of the ninja master from the discover channel. After training up on his ninja skills he would then need to go through jump school (imagine old guys doing HALO jumps), sniper school, and all the various things that special forces have to go through (possibly hell week?). I don't see this happening.

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Can a sniper mingle in with the crowd and have the abilitly to dissepear, they where great mercenaries.
Camouflage = dissappear. As for blending in with the crowd, I believe that is what American snipers are doing all the time. Either Iraq or Afghanistan, Snipers don't present themselves as snipers outside on the streets.

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The larger the team, the more chance of the mission being given away by choice or by accident.
Remember, there is a reason for a larger team. Some missions require it, you can't bring of synchronized attacks with one person. You can't get cover fire if you are alone.

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Back then and still today loseing face in asia is valued more highly than in the western face. The ninja would rather die than lose face to his family or replaced by unit. These ninja's didnt really belong to a country in reality but to their families.
I'm Asian. I know all about losing face, but the family thing? Doesn't really apply to a modern day fighting situation. Soldiers fight for their country, defend their homeland? Are you saying that modern day ninjas will be trained to fight for and die for their families in order to not lose face?

Please note that i'm talking about Ninjas in a modern day situation and not ninjas from medieval japan.

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A ninja is not a normal soldier
I know, i was just pointing out what a modern day normal soldier would do. Special Forces are different, and that is what we are comparing Ninjas to.



//Forgot about buddy's post.
Assassination jobs are reportedly not done by the United States anymore.
December 24th, 2004  
ACTaFOOL82
 
 
Ninja's are obsolete, its all about vikings. Well anyways, ya'll forgot Delta Force. Delta Force would own ninjas, in the end it comes down to this.

Delta Force (America's supersoldiers)=guns, anything else they need to get the job done.

Ninjas (Dont exist anymore)=sword, but they're quiet... oh wait so is Delta Force.

The Dreaded D is far superior to Ninjas, making this whole Ninja's against SF topic irrelevant.
December 24th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Basically what is meant is Ninja tactics being suitable for the modern day. Not if we got some medival dude to come with his old weapons and have a crack at the War on Terror.
December 24th, 2004  
ACTaFOOL82
 
 
I would hate to be a viking in the war on terror. Most of the villages in Iraq, and Afghanistan have been pillaged, and burned already.
December 24th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
And if you do manage to find something, chances are it's a beheaded goat.