I don't know how a person could be MORE wrong than you are.phoenix80 said:LoL
I just wanted to clarify things for a french based American with little info on who his real enemy is... Terrorists or Pres. Bush
Damien435 said:I think what the Chief is trying to insinuate is that George Bush, a man who will be out of office in two years and likely never heard from again, is in a subtle sort of way giving the executive branch (and himself) more power and laying the seeds for even worse things to happen. Some people will look at these wiretaps as the first step down a slippery slope that will eventually lead to the end of democracy in America. I look at this as one step that has no (negative) impact on my life so I will not raise any fuss about it, instead I would wait till the government does something that I see as being truly morally wrong and truly a threat to the constitution and the beliefs that this nation was founded on before I start whining.
Forgive me if I feel that I would rather be secure with a bit of government interference into something I hardly use than be bombed out my ears because Im next to a base and the gov't didnt know that terrorists were planning on bombing it...I value my life.mmarsh said:C/LT Henderson
Who killed 3000?
Still doesnt justify it. It wouldnt justify eroding our civil liberties if it were just 3 or 3 Billion dead. You start playing around with our freedoms and the terrorists win. As I quoted earlier "those that forsake abit of freedom for abit of security deserve neither freedom nor security" -Ben Franklin
Damien435
Chief nailed that one down well
Chief used Hitler, I will add another example, Stalin. By the time people realized the harm Stalin (after he died in 1953) had done to the USSR 40 Million people were dead or set to the Gulag. In both examples, Totalitarianism doesn't happen overnight. It started by chipping away people freedom little by little, and when people finally wake up, they discover they arn't in Kansas anymore.
You also mistaken to think Bush leaving Office will be the end of the Bush Administration. Its not really the 'Bush Administration', in reality its the 'Neocon administration', and you can be sure they have lined up another puppet that they are just awaiting to insert into the White House.
phoenix80 said:You shouldnt be worried if you are not doing any thing wrong.
Indeed, this is a good program for the bad guys and those who are involved in criminal and terrorist activities.
Your 21st century liberty has not been changed/affected.
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