New Theories Stating Troy was in Great Britain - Page 4




 
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February 7th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Just to clarify, the Boston Celtics are named for the Celts and vice-versa. Its all about Boston and their overwhelming pride in their Irish roots. Ireland, in turn, is quite proud of its Celtic roots and so forth.

Celtic is to Celt as Spanish is to Spain. (For those who were unclear on that point.) Yes the phonetic pronunciation is Kelt, and if Bostonians were straight on their Gaelic, they be pronouncing Celtics as Keltics. Chalk up another language blunder on the part of us silly Americans.

Wikipedia Article on Celts (a very thorough one) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
Map of Main concentration of the Celtic peoples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:-..._in_Europe.png

The Celts were very widespread. I don't have a source to link to you, but I took a class in Celtic History at a university and learned a good deal there. One of those items was the fact that ruins and artifacts distinct to the Celts have been found all over modern Europe as well as parts of Turkey and North Africa. They were equal to or superior to anyone of that time period in ship making and in Metalworking they were well ahead of anyone in the world.

The Troy site found by Schlieman does appear to have seen a significant war and the ruins that are believed to be Troy (in Turkey) did see a major destruction that involved a layer of ash that dates closely to the time the Iliad would have happened in. There were also walls, but the walls of that period for Troy are ... disappointingly small and insignificant when compared to the story Homer tells us.

So there are two options: Either we are seeing the results of several generations of exaggerating the account (this is the more accepted theory currently), or you have to look for Troy and the Trojan War elsewhere.

If you decide to look elsewhere, then the theory that places Troy in the British Isles fits very well. Additionally, we know that there was significant Celtic presence in ancient Greece, ancient Turkey and many other places. Many Celts were enthusiastic seagoing peoples, so it wouldn't be surprising to see a group of them move from modern day France and England to modern day Greece and Turkey. (They landed in North America somewhere around 300BC, so why not Turkey and Greece?) The Celts were surprisingly good at preserving their histories orally. If Homer was one of those that had the memorized history passed on to him then it would explain a lot.
August 15th, 2005  
Rich
 
Got a great laugh out of this one. The basis of the pro-England argument are that "the facts" fit Homer's Illiad and Odyssey better. Yet we are talking about the same writer (BTW approx 800BC) who confirmed that Achilles was dipped in magical waters (head down up to his ankles), Odysseus fights with cyclops and Polyphemus falling in love with a sea nymph. Maybe we should all be searching for the sea nymphs - find them, we find Troy.

But just on a little more practical basis, the guy advocating this theory suggests that the Greeks would have simply gone through Thessaly to reach Troy had it really been in the spot Schliemann found in Turkey. (Supposedly the need for 1186 ships was to get to England.) Well, if you've been to the Dardanelles, its not exactly a still puddle of water. It's big and its got notoriously strong currents. Armies throughout history have had problems crossing it, especially when there's another army on the side waiting to make your day really unhappy. Sailing to (turkish) Troy would have been a h&$l of a lot easier and ensures you've got secured supply lines through naval control.

Further, according to this new theory, Greece was meant to need access to the tin mines in England. Tin mines? In 800BC England - it might be true that they existed but sounds extraordinarily far-fetched. Besides, the Romans won't arrive in England for another 800 years - what did the Greeks, Macedonians and Romans do in the mean time for tin - fetch it out of magical pools!!.

The last thing is that the Greek writers are notorious for their exageration because they were entertainers as much as historians. Homer's books are too full of fancy to be relied on much - but using them as a basis to advance the theory of English Troy.....